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two years
going to read so good number thirty three
oh shoot he wants to shoot you
a very short something

february twenty second nineteen sixty six tape one
well known as on
some startling
could you describe what your very first the first time that you actually went to zendo was when i went to known as mg
ah the first sensible that you actually had contact with such great in and city with oh yea i felt it was nonsense milford news and that was in nineteen thirty two
was in the spring of nineteen thirty two dr suzuki had an ancient woodlands and suit he had them range not to sit
he had arranged
do you mind the stories of the law loved or i'm talking about this is it's a little amusing ah in the autumn of nineteen thirty and i had first met him and in fact the only conversation that i have with him prior to this spring of nineteen thirty two
to me if you want to work studies in ah you really should come to japan and you will get more i'm three or four months thirty here and several years of attempting to do anything by yourself he had a course at mrs suzuki's insistence
given me a little bit of information about sitting in a chair and breathing you have been handling my mind
and that as so then later it became impossible for me to come and so i was in constant correspondence with him and i told him when i could come and arrive and how long i could stay and he arranged with the own
the the roshi of viterbi algorithm and i really have gotten his name ah he was a very washing some well known but he was a good a very good suzuki is very close friend and he had arranged for him a to take me
and then i was going he arranged for me to live at cotillion i don't know if you know in well or not bored they have for some are they have two or three rooms are at the back with
each of the oldest part of the temple and in mississippi and arranged for me to on the lived there i don't know what i was supposed to do about meals i didn't pay entrance most of the their have they were supposed to feed me but i was supposed to stay there anyway
and so it was under their homes without understanding that i that hum steamer of ice often says seattle and left year and a with the exception of for mr mississippi
the only other individual i knew in japan their families in mystery hero who had been the year our sort of secretary and guide when mr eric schneiderman been overhearing nineteen thirty
the very nice man and a very capable men a gentleman so forth
well when i arrived in your color
oh mr kato was there and mr a suzuki i don't remember whether he was there or whether he had sent somebody at any rate he very soon came and if we stayed at the grand hotel for they may be an informed me that he was very sorry but everything had been in a
title she had been thrown into the discard got nothing had been said about city in the sodo in agenda or anything like that was simply same study under roshi
and ah that the oh he hoped that he could get the rocio name's mg to take me later of course i found out the reasons for this but it took me a little time to feel find out the reasons
at any rate or when we came but i can work i came down to go to them i am
oh the since mr everett in eleanor plan to arrive in numb
in japan in the late summer sometime in august
oh
i thought it would be a wise thing to have a large enough house for him to live in have to be with me and mrs suzuki have already arranged for one of her former but housekeepers control some real know to of keep house from
me and here and she gotten a m b young english student of hers japanese young man to act his interpreter and secretary so eventually we were able to find those beautiful house on the carmel river
and it moved in there and in the meanwhile i have been taken by dr susan keep up to nones mg to meet the old roshi who was then a b c he must have been he was seventy seventy one at that time
and we were taken into his as sticky and then he came and i was introduced in after a certain amount of talking back and forth the dr suzuki as interpreter in so far him
oh he of
when said well of course you can sit in the zendo and a also a you can't do anything very much in your own house where you have servants and things like that and
i have a temple here just across the road from the sodo of which is my personal temple which i built some years ago in which in which i will live when i retire and nobody lives in it and you're a perfectly welcome to have it
and i would like you to and i'm i'm telling the short form i would like you to come here every day and the the
do nothing but than in all day long in their house if you will come about nine of the morning and come first of all to my rooms in the sodo an eye in meal then i will give you the key and now you can brings a bento for lunch
and your to sit there all day long in its five of car for six o'clock you couldn't go home
and it was about two three miles from nones mg to the house on the common before miles
you bring the key to me and
in the evening and then boom and are not to bring any books with you have any kind and i have sent over to the house a to the temple alien mars chair and if you want to sit in there you may
and so when i finally did though and i saw the morris chair it was a very amusing chair one a had a foot rest than the armrests address and series of buttons on those of the arms you push a button the foot
shot the foot shut out who pushed another button and the headrest a mob and another button in the back went down
and so are his ideas seem to be that is that city in a chair was perfectly acceptable and i have been in america for nearly a year and the have been sitting in the straight back chinese-style
chair so that my body was this way those the at angles and breeding
correctly i interested in doing several hours of that every single day
when he'd finished talking about this he didn't talk about and my coming to him for a sounds in or anything like that that's all i was do then he said
now i will give you a cop and he brought out his move on khan and he read in japanese the be a first go on and then dr suzuki you interpreted it and i said verify you give me a con you don't know whether i'm ready for one enough
i he said well i think you're ready anyway you be with this and you practice and then he showed me in how he sat and how he breathed and so forth and what how to handle a column
well that was that and it was from that point i began
but
so six days a week
i did as he said i went over there
nine o'clock in the morning and i went up to his in real to get key and he usually insisted on my harry t with him he was very fond of making a sencha
and
the he had it his own room was on the second floor of the of the in rio actually and then i would take the key who cross the street and i would sit and i had a course a couple of south of tongue and nothing was said to me about sitting with my
hips up high that and a after some i don't remember when i spoke to him about it but i certainly must a very shortly told him that the your chair city was no good i didn't want to sit in a chair and he said that i must sit or
these fashion and keto sound or whose husband had been a a priests nuns mg before he died then suggested it i sit with us a couple of little cushions under be in the back and it was that way there i practiced and
he would not owed what i as i say he said i was not to take any reading material in any time now was to do nothing all day long from nine cocker nine thirty until five thirty or six except just sit by this break and when my legs got to turn i could get up and walk up and down in the garden necklace on
but the while he would send a monk over with some fruit or amongst would come to clean the yard and then they would stop the talk with the year something like that but aside from that for six days a week for about a month i was
was that was what i presumed nothing but that and at home i had a practically the same regime i got up at five o'clock every morning and i from five until seven i did as as him and then i got dressed and
i had my breakfast and a at eight thirty i left for man's mg usually taking a taxi up there in the morning and i was up there all day i would have tiered in sandwiches and maybe some soup or something i can take sermon hibachi myself and
that i would walk home at night it's five thirty or six in order before the exercise take my bath and go to go and then sit until midnight i allow myself five hours sleep a night
and of at the end of about a month or let me see i got here first of april from is so burst with on for about a month
eh and shortly shortly before
the ocean began the first may owe session began ah i had a very of interesting a psychological experience
and ah it was so interesting at least i thought it was interesting that the on
i
a got the interpreter i had to write it down and jack nice i'd explained it is best i could in english and the at the experience was like and i had him write it down on the on and of in japanese and
and the next morning i had him take come with me a to talk with the she again and to were no i didn't come to think that i took it myself when i got key i left it with him
and i hadn't been back in the in the little house in simcoe on because that was the name of it's been a long of out outro she came running in here heard him clattering and a backdoor and he became running in and his white underneath
the man and he had the paper needs he had he was waving it like this the usurper oh this is in this much japanese i could understand because i had some japanese language study in america this is what i've been waiting for this is what i've been waiting for his his way be like them
so and then he said then a the interpreter came may be that afternoon i don't remember be exactly the secret service but anyway he said that he had asked the amongst them to let me sit sit in the zendo and a they were absolutely against it was against the regulations in
now genji for a woman to sit and that they would not have it
and so are the first of may we had the opening of the summer session and it doesn't mean that was a very very big affair at they had a very very large number of supporters of knows face and
in the first two days were devoted to services that sort of thing and to feeding all the supporters than they felt something like two thousand people in those two days but they had so many supporters
and so of course i was present of those two days those parties admit earn a number of the oh damn cars and so on and on then i was informed that a by the had one of the head much that were sick
six older monks had been living on again for about ten
with they've been when him proposed to fourteen years all six of them and of
one of them are who is now the roshi at the for pucci in okayama
ah spoke some english and or when my own interpreter wasn't with me he spoke sufficient to make some kind of contact between roshi mean for me and so he came over to see me the little house and he said ah
now the or session begins and the monks are asking you to come and sit one night with him he was very specific about the one night and he said you come at seven o'clock and sit until nine thirty
because that was there then after that they had their team move their tea before nine thirty but only the session went to nine thirty
and so i remember very well being on
getting ready to go i was i had no special close to where i hadn't it was still rather cold that happened to be and then so that caicos certain figured out something for me the where cause i think we were wearing very tight skirts or something anyway i had a chinese so
author dark so the chinese-style rope the cobblestone thought was a suitable so that was put on and a black velvet coat which to keep me warm at any rate i went and then that was would be about may third i suppose would be the
the first night that i ever saccade zendo
and the this monk whose name was a son is the monks name was sm
they showed me to me
met me in church
to i see which was next to the last one as you come into the entrance from the back
and all amongst for sitting there and i am written somewhere about it the impression it was a though those days there was practically no lightness and we had one electric light miserable little thing that hung in the center of this hall and that's all
right there was and so that it was a rather scary place really will come in i never having seen it before this dark and everybody was in place for acne
in fact time we had forty seven people that man benji and the sodo hills a on the i think thirty six so every time was taken and the older monks were sitting in the or sorry the building that bad for the older amongst the sleeping and some of the youngest ones
were sitting in the in the ear and some layman that we had six or seven layman who were living know g they had to sit in the one dog cause the place for so full it any rate they have deceit for me and the monk had tried to explain to me before him a what these so
so what clappers and things men and it wasn't very clear so on
and it was what i have to do was to get up and they got up and get back good mermaid affect him but i'll never forget the are the you almost fright with which i am certainly the the ah with which i entered this black place you know and
with all these these figures one after another it is both sides in this absolute silence and so far well i sat down and am
as a matter of fact i will never forget it i sat down and i thought well this is all very strange
and yet ah
i've come home the
as germans and the area
so that night or things went well enough the second night and then their time the know the end of the session the is a sun came up to me is i got out the town and he sent you sat very well tonight we're used to cynicism oh yeah
it
and oh he said i you said very well tonight and then will you come tomorrow night
so on the same time will crush i was very pleased about that and the second night i went again said the frog
and this night
after i got seated the although she came in and he stood in the door and he yowl bellowed little tiny man you wouldn't think he could have that much strength of voice and breath and so forth as he did
and what he said i didn't know what he said then but after or at later i found out what he said was that everybody's sandton had been terrible
and that therefore there would be no sounds in that night and there would be no walking no brakes and we were to buy it straight through without any breaks at all
so we had to sit ah i have to sit two hours and a half with up moving northeast i was poster i did move of course but the yeah they're the pain was simply excruciating the m and the only thing that i could do to keep from fading building
i wanted to do was to keep from fading out in one follow tom must do to keep her watch of the where this little electric light and the reflection hit the black stone floor and as always i could see that where i wasn't falling off the tongue and if it was all over
if nobody moved all night then he sat there on fire council to you get first nine and then other a son came again and peace said go ye therefore lift me off the tankers i couldn't move my legs they look completely paralyzed and then he said that you have very well tonight would you come again tacoma
from so i went the third day in the third night i was allowed to have sent him live roshi he sent word i was to sit at the end of the line and know that cause he would give me a little longer something perhaps the new body else any rate was more convenient so a third
night i was very it was reasonably comfortable and i had a my first sons and roshi than that night net with an new job oh yes with this with miss out this monk acting too
and then the understanding was that i could come i didn't have to come every night i come whenever i had anything say i felt by coming and i suppose i used to go maybe three or four times a week something like that and i didn't entirely as he said as i felt but at any rate the end of the
third night then as i said to me
i don't know it was that nader when it was the next morning when he came on siemian the little house a day but what he said was all the months now invite you to come and sit every night with them that
you sit like care come on and you are a great inspiration to them so please come and from that time for us i went every night and whenever when they were not having a
session times that i was informed about it and though the then of course sir i didn't go but the r r i went only the nights that they they sat
but that was the first dose asian but in the next time that it wouldn't a head rotation in june
then they said the monk said we now would like you to have to sit with us all day long for the procession not only the night of the all day long so
and then it was decided
that the thing to do was to have the from me just taken sleep continuously over it that a single on the temple and i a i would go for o'clock in the morning if that's when they began over to the sodo and of them
if they is as i remember it the very first thing we had there was sutra chanting in the morning four o'clock that's my remembrance of it and from that we went into the sodo into the zendo and he had a sharp a period of zazen then we
went for breakfast and then we came back for a long period of zazen in sounds in and so forth but it gave you them he would i would there was there at noon time i would after when they would have a a break of may be an hour to the middle of the emperor who one for three or something like that
then i would go and lie down on her back in the other new house and i'd come back in the middle of bathroom and they began sit again because they had much longer hours than apparently people have in the sodo now we'll do some of
i don't remember that they did any son
and i have no recollection of their hotel during so she knew they would they rested and sat around for an hour to him in a in after dinner and
then around four o'clock
there were suit returning again and then we have supper and then we went back into the zendo and then we were right straight through till ten eleven o'clock at night
and the first time that i did that i got back i think about ten o'clock card they ended and then
ah i remember this was very charming
my this was the first day of their full day sitting from four o'clock in the morning straight through and my legs were off a painful by that time though this course just saves our city and then
a row she came back with me and he had had one amongst start fire in the bath and then he himself went out to see that fire was those burning brightly in the water was hot and then he waited until i'd taken my back
and then he massaged my shoulders and the and the back and then he went on back and i slept there and got up begin at four o'clock in the morning
then a that i did for the oh sessions but otherwise when there was no authorisation i went a for the evening sitting justice sir i had been i all death
so
them oh often between times in in they have any breaks at all i used to if it was during the day accepted the noon time when i would sometimes go back i would just walk up and down and neath they're covered or a passageways and the boys still speak about that if
the here we always remember you walking up and down up and the these a relief road rochas here
and then that was the first year that was nobody was injured independent first time i will i was there in the in from a from the from the first of reading first of april until the oh what the end of them
until the end of july or is david know who came over sometime around the middle of august but of course the sodo was closed for the year for the summer time and it was not to as my memory serves me it was not oh
roche's habit to 'em give sounds in during the vacation periods i don't remember that he did because i know that part of the time the monk smoothed out of the sodo those who were left the army i mean out of the know those who were left and they will do
they slept in the hundred
then of course when i came over the next year
then i went back that november
oh
roche's habit to 'em give sounds him during the vacation periods i don't remember that he did because i know that part of the time the monks moved out of the photo those who were left the army i mean out the window those who were live and they
move to they stepped in the hundred
then of course when i came over the next year
then i went back up november and i came back the following september
and now i took another house this primary closer to minnesota and then then i a defect continuously for the and i have been the small temple as well and then of course i did the role how to in january entre that and winter and again the next summer
who saw that year the mandated to on a that that time yeah and then was their homes for sale second time
yeah from october until work too well i think mr eric came over in august again but the photo activities for all over i had a total year of solo activity
what you can what would go
remembering what the london mg sodium seemed like them
can you think when things are many ways to describe if anything how monks and how solo cd for today what changes you can observe but of course in the first place now angie was filled to overflowing and there
there allows so are certainly more tightness than you were then you see here
the certainly the also the or because of the number large number of monks and the large number of them
ha so head monks
during the ocean periods
the a young monks the really young monks were not allowed to do anything mean the the cooking was inserting every thing was taken care of by the six older monkey the ambulance had nothing to do with the younger monk had nothing to do with a top
and down there was one thing the second thing is that i remember that during oafish and period each oh session period
we were not expected or permitted to speak at all
we had a solid week of sides except for instance when the row she came over to my house i bet to seated the bath or something like that but inside the monastery
yeah
there was no talking whatsoever none
and the second time when i came back
we had a curious little episode
we had a bit because oh i was a foreign woman who was allowed to sit in the same
this disturbed several of roche's women lace to
and he had a group of place to the osaka for instance
that all women but among them it was a m young a pharmacist and his wife
and there are they had been accustomed to come up for the or fish in times and they would always have to sit the hondo and then they have to eat sleep in the handle or they have to go back to osaka forever cases they wanted to and so she complained bitterly
because i was allowed to sit in the in the random and she was a very very nice bright the track of little woman young my post
the eight twenty nine something like that
and
so are they finally gave way and they said that this this second year when i was back in the first punch in the autumn they said she could sit
in the sodo in the zendo
so on she began
and she did a very cheery to a woman in the first thing that she did when she saw you will how hail
and
in no time they'd thrown her out
because the of either they were just that strict you you couldn't speak to anybody you weren't expecting speak to your resignation from she didn't mean a thing by not a thing but as i told roshi later if you been working for twenty four forty eight hours and
i'm not speaking anybody in the getting up in a half dream the going and chatting and buoyant sitting and eating in a not knowing that you're eating in somebody say oh good
ohio for you it's a shock that is terrific it will take you two or three hours to get back where you where are you know so she was so dismissed and a there was never anybody else allowed to come in while i was there later i understand some
years later some german woman they let come in she was very well behaved but that was one of the basic rules during in time there was absolutely no speaking you can the are in it that we would have one solid week of an absolute silence absolute filled with her
what about the be called me and the personality for monks would you say that thing that they were a higher caliber than most merciful day or could you say i would say that some of them work as i watch these and most here and in other
not go to me a shindig or someplace like that
ah
i suppose many of them were practically the same as those we see today as far as january however mental and so forth is concerned
but ten
we had more i think who every bit of course we had a very large number you safe and we had a number we had six layman who were living there
they wore hakimullah in kimono and but they end their life was exactly like that of the
of the young monks they had to sit as much and they they were forced to sit in the only work that they had to do with the worst sir samuel and they did the of they lived exactly idea of monks but they were named him one of them became afterwards a priest but them
if there were six of them there and i was told off so that they were a couple of soto priests their incognito that i never knew the reader of them monk here is a month but i have no idea who they were they were taking something i was told that they they were there but who they were i have no idea
and then
but certainly the sixth older monks that we had were were oh
but mural we have no and this isn't oh who's that a pretty who i think is one of the finest men i ever knew and them
all those six months became roshi there and then we had one hunchback boy who was still a who has now become the priests have a very the temple i see him at not to when i go and the a number
and that still remember me or now as filled priest
i don't think perhaps the
average averages any bet was any better than it is today it's just that there were many more and more you see with for the the layman were all excellent people and we had one of them was the son of the air of the matsui a department store in
in in tokyo and their family had been there and be connected with nonsense you sodo for several generations and nancy and her kid was considered the family or advisor and they put him after he graduated from tokyo university they put him done here for six months
and of the another man was an engineer and then a man about forty forty five i should say and another man was a graduate of the philosophy department of the kyoto university and doubt he had had a lot of he was an only son from a fairly good family
to very intelligent man spoke excellent english and german and the but a a drank too much and began to study them to return to take hold the drink captain and then later he became priests them and became a priest and i had forgotten
now about the others but we have six seven and them
no i think killed
the i say more more but perhaps only because there were more you we could you want describe launching pin as a male members you whatever recognition you have been you can how you found value so forth
he said he was small yes he was small and he was extremely active
extremely active gems here pigeon i don't have to get burned up there in there that left him for children phone your yeah left the kitchen
oh the black frame
that picture took the first day i saw him
oh yeah i the equipment
perfectly how will be hear about the or seventy seven
he died seventy three and ninety three five
do you know how many of our facility then recycle your she deserted well i've written about that then dust
did i wrote a biography of it
a the i am
nobody knows exactly how many disciples he had he never would tell his disciples were during site that be and it was not a publicly known that they were occasionally he'll speak about them he had one of them who was in korea and who should have followed him and said
mm but he was killed during the war
and he'd had one killed during the right russo japanese war who gonna be a soldier and
then the a other own the man who after his death became known as his heir was on a nakamura tell you you add some time that if i was there the first time
a non she can have on decided that they should reopen call on she is a sodo ah and my brother buffet and he put now com world tell you
the whom are none of us thought of his his air at least i didn't i didn't know that maybe the other people do it in charge of restoring this temporary
and ah
it was an awful temple and evil aren't broken down of rain was coming and on an awful shame
but i didn't hear much about that at bedtime
but he died in nineteen thirty five of them pneumonia in the summertime is to you can
and he had a m the man who was
concho of for non vinci
was a brother month of here's who's than their mutual friendship went back to their earliest days they had both been a monk's gone into gathered about the same time to cook asia which is the regular big country soda that belongs to nancy
much more than who yeah the outside give them
and there had always been a certain amount of rivalry as month between in a very early days and the of cattle roshi if i tell you this part of the story which may be a little long
i was able to pass his book koran his first call on sooner than non chin can do we didn't help the rivalry between them and palm
and of it was some
maybe a it took nam shin get something like three years or more to finish the moon the through it
and ah
the story of he is getting through it i'm sure you've heard me tell that and member countries yeah okay by me that he's taking the little columns that you'll be overthrown come into the river you know notebook and then when he asked what what he was coming back amongst come rocco came running to him and said roshan want to see you are
to see you and a so he went into the roche's room and the role she said well
and after that he passed some forty odd columns in forty items and left keto roshi or capital so the without owning was the then of behind but you see in
by the apparently the roshi have made every effort to hold back this satori if they often do if they think that to the the man is all gonna be awfully good well eventually cuddle roshi a couple became a roshi to and non jenkins teacher came from a
their teacher came from caucasian to be curtailed of nones angie and after he came here are shot may be before there was a big fire now veggie and the a big are a hall was burned down and so he called
a nutshell came from caucasian to be to assist in here and left cocktail roche she dared he eventually became cause erosion caucasian
then on
oh oh not you can help him when he wanted to be culture hands and he happened to be elected but they never got along and there was all with this a rivalry still between even they were both have been there seventies
and a fun i knew them of course new capital roshi was just about same age though he wasn't as strong than she can eat out a stroke a new face with on one side
so now that she can dies and keto roshi is still alive and he's come to of man mg but not roshan so the day after mansion and funeral which has i say was in june and middle the juice on the middle of the of the most the the summer
study period he moved himself from the country of residence which is up on the cliff you know it is not a veggie burger would love any luck on the hill they moved him he moved himself down bag and baggage into the roshi quarters down in in minnesota
now whether he thought he had the power to do it or he just did it to present them with a fait accompli in a i don't know but at any rate the monks for furious that's when bureau should the out but they months for furious so fourteen of than them
thereupon
got together the six oldest months and some of these other young ones eight would be a young ones and they cleaned the sodo and they packed up their things and they marched out
and they went to a koji to this air of notching kids and the reason i know that temple was in such bad condition was that are several of them wrote need from there and told me but they were doing about the they're all the time was spent in helping in repairing the roof sue them how they sat in
november with water the railroad down their backs and things like that you know so
they finally did get it repaired
the six them
after two years got the inca somehow found nakamura bush
and that the house
oh murdo she is related to quality in the he came back the are eventually
after going to be to other places in between
and carry on about launching them just thinking in terms of roshi personality cakes
i have difficulties you've known ah
i been keeping that comparing our notion in the background how would you describe and shoot him
well he was first of all a very simple man
extremely simple
oh i think you may have hurt me tell the story of from oh what a big early experiences he had after he'd become roshi of man viggo pepsi in control now benji because he was counsel for fifteen years also
and simultaneously and he was in a are invited to a give first some sermon some based some temple in the country and he went him in his ordinary old clothes and when he got there are yeah no monk he went on
all alone without and candy and he got off the train third class car and of course it was nobody to meet him and he saw way down that for flags and been flying in that people and so he trudged the temple and when he got there are very people were ways it will wear
we were you where are you where are you while i was on the train we didn't see you and they'd all been down to the first class carriage is expected to see somebody in grand robes and vivid attendant till you know and so forth so then he said that he made up his mind that m o two
make an impression upon the country people he must wear a very own gay and gaudy case on so forth him he then proceeded to earn by something in red with gold and i have felt shaking
he was sir in adjusted simple ah he said told me that he he did not know who his parents were there he had been brought up in a farming family but ah that he believed
that he had been brought as a baby to the family and left and a that he thought he came with it came out very good a good family because he remembers a a beautiful lady whom he assumed
it was his real mother coming from time to time to see him all was veiled with an editor child and he would look at his hands and he would say sydney these are not a farmer's hands the bill had not a farmer's hands either gentleman has
how many times i've seen into their competitors we have easy not a farmer's hands he is nothing and he would be very affected when he would tell about this lady with the veil over veiled lady who came to see you when he was a child came to the farmer's house but he never knew who as
the thing but he had the farmer's name he carried the farmer's name
and he had some education i mean he was sent to he was sent to what was then how the zona for a while then he was sent to a confucian school so that he had to considerable education
ah he was very very strict he was very strict in his own life and as i say if a very very very strictly much do happen to know she was determined to fill
i never knew him i never heard him express himself on the subject but i never knew him to eat anything in the world but vegetarian food eater energy drinks out the are of of oh he would absolutely against i never knew him to drink i remember about fucking business
this first time when we had this party episode the for all the believers you know this i told to these two days and thousand people at peace come to be fed and the big dump because the little fellow's that sad all over the hondo by me with their children and everything like that
ah oh we're not serve any shocking but the big down cars were taken him to a own
private rooms and what they were they were served sacking but as the general public was not supposed to know that that was not for of that wasn't known and as far as i remember purchase something could verify this he wouldn't have any
anybody who drank allow them to be in an ngo a priest we didn't you want say that he have prohibited toilet london he did yeah i never go there
i never heard of
and i wanted them to promote hundred most feel about him the are mixed feelings or with a very readable the or some of the multiple for them i i have i've never seen anybody who was utterly and completely devoted to i mean they were frightened of him back
cause he could really use his take a small as he was
eh i have seen him in southern sitting out there on the rope awaiting and i remember one big boy who country boy going in one night and he was very dumb and stupid i'm sure ah but in a few minutes have we heard a big clatter
and he came a she can be thrown off his robot tell you about that the and gave up his white kimono and he had his take care and a new toy and he had this great big fellow who was certainly a foot or foot and a half taller than he somehow or the he
gotten all of his collar and he was putting him ahead and he would need him them in the behind and heading him he then the way they went out that the rock of this little fellow big fellow ahead of him
the monks or in the period that i was there were always the older monks or who are a certainly had the greatest reverence for him i don't know that anybody love him but they certainly had the greatest greatest respect
in all for him that he using to stick the muriel high returns and well i didn't we never used it i mean that you heard but that i've heard it and no i wouldn't say too much you i wouldn't say a great deal and certainly in the in the in the photo it was practically not use the top be to soccer
a taco is not used the one of actively adversity i have the only time that that they used violently was when he had to drive out some of these young boys that didn't want to go presented you know you'll never as the only to have an answer can be she by anyway but am in this in the sodo in the demo
no i was never hit by one and but once and that was a joke and i mean i knew it was a joke in the is gridlocked went over the whole room you know and it was done and i don't remember any any year special who had very little i should say without does the new
roy itself and the you can enjoy in in the songs and when i think neurosci the said to me that the munching can use the new you're into and i was what are you some whoa she's said the reputation for using the new i learned some dope and he apparently did what are your views on the russian
now for these million center but i never had to choose than me so i don't know why would you imagine that he would throw on country boy out and headed was fifteen
well i i would think that probably the boy was i was utterly stupid only do
and a and he made some full answer that to it was just too much further roshan could i don't think that he was that it would be in politeness and his partner wonder she mind oh oh that would you know he was too dumb for their altogether to them on the other
hand and he had a he had a very nice on g once young boy that i knew quite well who'd been there about four years that they all hated to be on for him because he was so hard
he had his own meals he didn't eat sodo meals he had his own kitchen and he was an excellent cook and weddings boys the to on yours have to and when they would be appointed for that
then they had to be under his jurisdiction about cooking and it was very it with very honours he had his own bath and he had his own and is on the kitchen
was much the mentioned can wasn't functioning as cultural tours not at this time he had been he had been for he was so i've got i've got it and ten just how many years he was in nouns mg i think it was something like forty five years together oh yes was very long
well know maybe not maybe a thirty five forty years and fifteen of those he was captured
did he seem to read much of the germany nobody seem to be interested in reading know i wouldn't even the tall intellectual he was about i would call sodo roshi he have he kept that a sodo it was kept immaculate the grounds of
london you course they had all these people meet all these monks to do the salmon nevertheless the place was actually the temple grounds were absolutely inaccurate and everything was run life almost like a military camp i mean that everybody was very
the exact and very strict there was no and no easiness sender i don't mean that it was unpleasantly fellow it was so just though everything was typing with good the feeling was just wonder you absolutely time was that not you can use to up to do with look for
oh yes often did and he had a vegetable garden by the and in in the back of this temple where i live and he often went out there working
and he in the summer in the vacation down the often came down to my house and state and we all would have it