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Early Christian mystics; Benedictine regulations, the rule of obedience; manifestation of God in the world.

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the type of work accord or
had a lot of influence on our mind for you can be about it to be writing letters or something like that was going to be a different thing that if you don't have a money over
for your mind and your spirit is great
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while you try to avoid that action by not using that method right now trying to do you think the on
no we're not trying to use a form of which requires too much attention of your mind at the same time you're doing something that produce a game on

attention attention
i think maybe we're using a new protested the attention which is a profitable like perhaps the attention that you have in your zaza the the attention of of mind and body there which keeps you at the alert it seems to me which make you receptive which makes you more ally yet there
his attention which is destructive
the nervous tension tension or conflict between to hurt you working around which happens when you try to do something which you which are not made for or tragedy to in july
going into direction get on with the kind of tension a case to be unprofitable

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what the different difference between
the and good
he answered
something like
buddhism can't recall is the dissolving up yourself into the ocean

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i think that fundamental
and if he tried to get to the deepest difference between buddhism and christianity i think it's very close to it not necessarily the personal relationship with jesus you could call it a personal relationship with god but the point is that it is a relationship a relationship festival another relationship between two personal
being a word personal is very tricky because we don't mean mean a person like like where person exactly how will the limitations of are they gonna be given to narrow to people to this one
there are christian mystics however whoever was about their experience exactly and network as being dissolved into the where the ocean of god and yet even though they were dissolved the to retain the money is to remain unfilled
the deserving was not was not complete without a revision is grounded shop you say they retained read disgust ah
the even know the ego might
the eliminated
we still have some distinct christian personality personal code for us is that the self topple virginia another was when you can imagine ego and and pressure that an attention to ego that we know that way that that has to die and as the department of the pottstown
the shadow chancellor
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if a christian mystic has the experience where he retains his arm
personality is
the dissolves into god
ah when he experienced his physical death
does he still retain that personal he is it
i think that when they said they did and god what they do they lose their self consciousness in a way my conscious only a bad
the other mistakes as described it as being all i imagine that and new i eat other words completely immersed in the object of a vision as it were the object is no longer an object that you you believe that you are the object he owes you something like that
but
it still lot than they lose their self consciousness temporarily the a retainer a person out
henna seems consistent among among the christian
there's no idea of a of an irreversible dissolving
herman one ceases to be
because it's it's a matter experts in a matter of love between two two person between two things
and is love itself is a chance and think it's like the wrote that we know and yet it's something greater
and since there is love there that means that that which is loved cannot cease to exist as a god moses that means it will not find it hasn't paid extinguish out be
what type of this as a created us wants us to remain our heads

even though transform and away demonised
that's the fundamental difference is
the question of a a personal relationship and a personal page

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our life is not completely arbitrary or river pretty fair degree of community right as you can see from are scheduled effect will undergo a church also we have a recreation much quicker quicker on a hospital for an the show
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a cold day and other act in on
the reason for solitude
a difficult to express the systematic when they were having one but ran out but it seems that at certain times when on it with him for a realization
i don't find it has been
a are all right especially in exchange for that's a rare thing like a man maybe our to defend her funny you
we were real political change
nearly everyone may be problem and a certain time and right to withdraw and order to be concerts or another form of reality and he had able to experience in cross compiling cooper adding new feel it on terror
some more another
and he loves would have written of the earth derived from there are very very paper they have a about and if it weren't for one thing probably the different aspects and a question of a separation is from the confusion of the world
but the withdraw that you have here is already solitude and percents that if you're separated from city is separated from radio on of the out of a new papers now the same motive that need you to do that each other people separate of even from the book
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i wish it
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who's that
allow me
something wrong people
i own my with it was still very much ecology
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i think they might be because of your silence you don't say a word and years and if it were a completely public camino and ride there will be some sort of communication and that however is work
shelley
so there is there was a unity to a rather by as a spiritual unity by the pack if you're doing as meditation to get at the same time as real sovereignty but real solitude has never pure as a matter of fact is always unity on a deeper level a what's the use of being alone just going to think of being with yourself that
let's condemnation that's at how
the only reason to be alone it to be with something which is more significant than the shallows so if we know
now that's something it wrote what we call god and his others who want to live on the same low impact we believe that we arrive at a deeper union with amen
by really realizing this fabulous sanity

i think that
there is quite a bit of use of solitude and buddhist at in his own traditional tibetan buddhism and shine i haven't read much about it how they understand it
if they they can achieve it as a phase and image purification i think a step in the way
the atmosphere that you knew would need in order to do a certain part of the job or to have worked on anya with mighty wind
what the solitude and years as it is very real and each one's experiences individual person on is different
solitary
the ah meditation it's not a meditation of reminders x two
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yes solitude actually didn't pay too much a report in st benedict's will because he wrote for the cinematic arrived at a months who lived together and who slept together in a dormitory but mostly the like pretty intimately
close to one another
so solitude not too much but silence quite a bitch and benedick watched as much to keep silence except when they have to speak for reasons of work or a charity something r n
a challenge as a a strong
our tradition before st benedict and christian monasticism as were generally the desert punishments and can speak to each other for years
when some of them i was the exception knows really extraordinary example for the rest of them kept silence to
and the reasons were very much the reasons that that he keeps amazon which almost an instinct it's hardly and you can explain but the the dissipation of spirit at country will start there's even a we find that we've come at faults against each other when we talked to me without thinking about we're going to say
that more better when we require and yet even sounds can be exaggerated know that
the principal virtue it's a minute inculcate his obedience our
and what he's trying to do with it is create humility and an attitude of receptiveness instead of the attitude of assertiveness and no pride and self justification and ego
activity that we start me
obedience as the the core of his rule and so he sets it up the monastery in a very vertical way with it everybody having to do with the with the average citizens on
very radical set up the you'd call it it a paternal set up with
and i think it's somewhat similar in the zen tradition but it's more personal in irrigation and the teaching is more personal for master to decipher with st benedict attend to become a more formal
that
the ever thinks more of the family it seems that he does have the individual disciple
it's not so much direct transmission of a teaching from asked her to
as there was previously among the armature the desert for instance
who treated each one with the prescription he needed
the invented it was to do that but he's dealing with a larger number and
without such censure
without such a deeply spiritual
the point of view it seems
he get the idea that st benedict was not so much a specialist in leading people to the higher reaches of the spiritual life as some of the earlier months were some of the desert fathers
becky calls his monastery a school for beginners
he says is it a simple rule for beginners do it perfectly and then go and read the the other words they could tell you i really dig up them

probably countries that are your from
well
yeah we don't have one form of meditation but everybody or less does what he can
when we talk about meditation and a schedule we mean a time when you you made friends to spent part of a reading the scriptures and that's the favorite way for for beginning for inducing some kind of meditation and then you may spend a part of it just thinking about what
you've read or thinking out an arm
not in a rational logical discursive ray but rather trying to think deeply are reflecting a chance to before
chewing on masticating or children assimilating
an anime spend time just a and repose or even letting your affection rise up a little bit reading your feelings
express themselves and prayer
and finally you may spend time and and something that is very similar to yours
this simply remaining in the presence of god had a spiritual writers say that the more simple your prayer or your meditative activity is the better
well that's the direction he spoke to be moving it is simplification repose and resting in the presence of gap and then other thing may come afterwards of course
when people use many different methods and in our tradition a lot of books have been written with methods of meditation take point a and think about it and then point they think about that point she think about that and then make what they call a spiritual okay and then make a resolution and grab do it
no but it doesn't work as much
maybe i did at one time
no matter
yeah
today
i have a born
i hit
pattern
well that expression being all i get a very striking expression and one of it i wanted the father years which is always impressed me and much the idea i showed it

losing yourself competing i didn't look at itself you are losing yourself completely in and the experience i don't know maybe i'm giving it
understood it pepper but i wouldn't connect that too much for the other
most of the especially the eastern writers and contemplation and prayer i mean the greeks
stress the idea of sooner or later doing away with all images in your in in your meditation
so that
what you end up with is is what they call pure bred
which is very much like an crutcher is and teacher major to because they're pretty well about getting rid of emmett and teach them we have said we have images that were encouraged to keep up to a certain point a the image of christ you see i perhaps the image of a crash
crucified are just some dim vague idea of the a human christ which can be very valuable use in meaning person along towards prayer or meditation and some people said a certain point you should get rid of that others have said no don't try to eliminate those thing
that you need those images and so on until god takes them away that is until they sort of disappeared by themselves and then don't hang on it and it seems that the second opinion a better one
it's it's the stronger wanted in a tradition
so choosing
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i think that these thing result from the psychology at man i mean that's the way our mind and our spirit works and so they have to be more or less universe open
sooner or later we have to get to that kind of simplification where we do without it the country damage
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ah greek orthodox churches
stand down does that have monastic traditions and then very strong monastic traditions and the greek orthodox church is more monastic you would say in the roman catholic church definitely monasticism sort of in the center of etrade
as it was in the center of our church in the middle ages garage could not run are there any times down to a room mate i didn't know they're getting closer now is see they split apart and the eleventh century a very unfortunate thing maybe it had to happen matters you know this one of those think i suppose those things about
opened in the east to
and then looking back it's hard to see as such a tragic thing could happen
and such then
there have been attempts to get back together again but they have never been able to stick now there have been movements
when meetings and so on between the the patriarch ethnography wrenches and hope for
there's so much opposition especially in a great church that when he comes over and and the age and a friendly manner with both for country children and grace excommunicate him can see separate itself from his jurisdiction and oh there's so much better and it's still have alone
what
each individual
he was fine
how to on
yes grow our conversations
a spiritual dogs is something like the relationship of any screen to to paper mostly a person
do you teach it is a a person in charge of the younger people who has called the master of novices g a novice at the word is familiar language i guess
this is a candidate who is in it an intensive stage of formation of of instruction videos from a year to two years and he has his own teacher it was on master
which is not a big independent from the prior knowledge
wallace said
what the rest of the community are supposed to have this relationship with the new the prime now
in the beginning of an to and this was very existential thing it's a very real and over there was
the charismatic man and amongst joined around them just as they did around the good zen masters or thing
android have a master and a little ring and decipher but afterwards when the thing you try to perpetuate is set up a find it the teachers are so charismatic it anymore
and so you end up with an institution instead of a are really living spiritual transmission was a and it has happened to too many others
monasteries which started out being very alive spiritually because they had a living charismatic teacher of afterwards so the a fossilized into institutions and grown on for hundreds and hundreds of years every
sometimes with it
i revitalization and at one point or even often living just a lower level for a very long time
the first generation is usually
he lightly
deeply spiritual generation
sometimes that's only a matter of literature is because people are writing with his cage
how can i change to be true
today
has to you need a cat
i've never understood calm yes
in an attack that has very difficult actually to it's because it's such a fundamental idea
the all of our bible across is sort of it
we consider to be the word of god and therefore we understand the bible the description as being god's
explanation of himself or god's revelation of himself
because god if we think about it philosophically abstractly must be infinite and been a powerful and been a rise in fact me rub it all of these traits but which leave us simply with nothing to grab onto nothing concrete with no personality as it works but we believe that in this
pictures and actually in his action and history especially with the jewish paper that god has revealed to was something about himself with an incredible but we believe that it's true and so that through the scriptures we learn concrete a what what god is like we learn what is love is like watching how he be
hate towards men and ultimately we believe that that christ is the
a manifestation of god which was intended to be on our level but as we believe that god became man noted that we might
man is the thing that we should be able to understand best because we are so we believe that god became man in order that we could read him as it work that we could read what god is in christ which is of the book of god the word of god
so when we look at christ we believe that we know god better than we could in any other way for instance in a philosophical work or even
ultimately we think that we can know him through experience it was through meditation through prayer and ultimately will kind of vision and the spirit of god
who sharing his life
but to we believe that we pride the description of the ad personam at the face of as road in christ
i couldn't we find a patient crashed in the scriptures
the new testament but the question correctly israeli under pressure for one
because the the the idea about the experience ago and largest so much that it includes everything after where it would be like what would be the car over time the impossible question to ask of you that what is what is it
no
pretty regulated and what to do anything once once bigger she asks is a the hershey for this buddha in suzuki roshi said i don't know yet
now when it got it is what we're trying to find out the and that's the reason for all of our epic st benedict says a
about a the monk who comes into the monastery see if he's really seeking god
taking defined are seeking to know that
so that's that's the whole questionnaire
replied to this question asking
it seems to me that
this this question reveals though the more difficult aspects of the relationship between
because
the knowledge of god
is required through historical experience
concretely experience of our way and moses on santa
the experience of your when abraham the experience of the our him david
the experience of the christ the young lady who can
how we see
a revelation in history
and of course difficulty is that the buddhist point of view
that's true
this is something of itself which has right
understand it somehow
we should step
if i understand
there's a difference in viewpoint of a rock history
there's right should do and the question of god is related with history
i don't have the answers play or just have difficulty of the issue how to how to relate with another family we have such a different idea of what history was it should be
some many questions or foul
so many misunderstandings and i would work
in abilities to understand because
and a way it's easier to communicate on a level of monastic experienced and it is hon it's a theology earlier is other because our practice is very semis and so what was seeking is very similar to perhaps we could change the same time i don't know and yet if we we talk about our concepts of or a purse
liminality i think like that we find ourselves pretty par for example you may not that level of ideas is typical
could you say something about the
girl
but the relationship between the old testament in the new testament is
yeah as a development that you mean
maybe one is in development about the other room it's pretty difficult because it's complex the first maybe maybe or a model thing is is there some difference in the realization between peter in roses or something
the difference across his christ that is the fact that god has come as man that is coming a push we see this is the a turning point as the the excellent a pivot about this drink the coming of christ into the world god comes introduces himself of no way
and so we can consider the old testament to be the the preparation for the new testament and in some way we pride christ concealed in the old testament st augustine says crashed his latent in the any old testament you find images of christ and david the front of an image of christ and moses an image of christ in isaac
even perhaps and abraham and all the data that figures even an atom have been one of them in a way that for telling of christ and some features
and the new testament and a report and also this waiting for the messiah waiting for the waiting for the grace to see and a part of the jewish people so the new testimony procurement of it and yet the new testament turns up to upside down a lot of things that had that had gone along in old to quit
are better than that than fresh than brawn
it's summer to that with christ and everything was preparing for christ than the jewish scriptures and all been cutting out the the image of them a try everything and then he appeared and they don't know what the mccabe has happened for restaurant and unreality
the react relation between a new testament outlets in a very complicated than it was a danger of simplify and typically old testament to the at time of fear and the new testament the time of love at first sight that that's juliana
because the old testament that the mosaic law with the orange thing if you do this you'll be stoned to death refuted that your will be pointed at john where the new testament nothing like the which is a pitches with the commandment of love of god never better
and help me find are already that love and the old testament know
when the author you told the guard at commandment already there he talked about mental
the provide says if the man does this and to eternal prior issue of which may be a metaphor but nevertheless that would better be eternal punishment so it's not a simple goal

in
in buddhism is at about it
having our education
when a and develop
biology
having moment
caravan
catholic tradition
psychology
perhaps not
not as empirical is that edge
the cost of thing i can think of it the carmelite non-stick pan to read and played down a course
activists are described in the book of the seven match me which was called the interior cancer she described her own experience and also that of others are the contemplative in her time and different stages of credit which she describes and terms it
interior a writing herself a you have the lord within you and the centermost room the centermost mansion as she said and gradually you are
go more deeply into yourself to the different concentric circles you can of you approach the lord and your experiences of there are different and she described is with great detail as she experienced them as they journeyed across it goes on the other hand systematically through
all the faculties were the memory where the interact with the will and so on and describes the various things that may you may experience there and until you to reject them are connected but we set them on it said anything concrete anything discrete images desires orders
so centuries as empirical district description and down and across as systematic analysis because this thing i think to for which is speaking out
it said
well
scrap our online and it helps
yet
and then you can separate itself from the experience a little bit if you'll find at someone else's head it and you can consider it you don't have to be so much enveloped by elaborated on the experience yourself with you know what to call it vegetables
hey are you prepare for a second time
as i can cause know i set the second coming of christ yet according to to the no testament and put everything in
definitely or engagement to the word that they like due to the ground with eschatological
when has got an infrared thing
and we believe in christ will come again but we don't know when

right
no you have
the beginning
hmm
yet discretion of history once we got
yeah
a lot of emphasis on the person and the present realization our roster
and in that we bring it additional each branch of the holy spirit we believe that the holy spirit is
god and be
manifests himself was in his mama but he lived in it is permitted and i bet in the same way that even he cried the thing why do we live in your pocket
he makes the bad credit
the mention of experience
the now
ah

one level do you see yourself yourself
have any of year and is
the creator
our history
where are you just some
picnic with you to happen
i think we consider ourselves as
myself as a man is simply something inside history
and yet as having a relationship to that being with the beginning in the end who is christ
it was like that
i'm an order on watching
sharp
it was a simultaneous existence
my work is desperate
robin
but is there
get some separation
between us in christ you mean
has that infinite being between us from god
now it is definitely a distinction definitely a distinction
who are finite beings
founded
limits
if you can say the holy spirit within me
be there to shut me down with you live yet
he's in me and yet he's not exactly be
we retain a personal distinction between god and myself
what we know we're we're here to say youtube your theology
right
where really
difficulty we don't have come to he attempts to recover from different traditions and spread of dollars
the the conversation
at the bottom it's connected with the traffic the news
bear to keep a conversation with the bottom that's very good image that very issue about which he didn't commit
upon
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grammar
with camping out at that
with spring of a lot about
our relationship with with society as a whole with them
that
really i will come give a kid half heart
heard of know it he mentioned your majesty in food
the called and of history which is had a the i have read at when he came across predatory
get the tokyo article moving notion of that when we're at now get asked you
a
can anybody
what is typically gets reported that relationship crime is the question of how we support our so been return that with afternoon in india before yeah pooja of the or and they have no work the they have been eating and accepted way that amount to the great
himself would be right back and the functional little i'm talking if i know and do
kourtney i here
the function that you were serving in that situation was aren't you recognized by society that he was taking on some
some particular way than necessary for certain people in five do you live for the word and whole idea changed with the africa on china
and now we don't know what we don't know at an end in japan another idea when i've heard about it's the idea of service than that are rather be an epic function began to emphasize more the great function and schools and have
the into a memorial service station attendant header and now weren't thinking well do we start to panic if i think one time couple of years ago people were the camera out and
they can stop
any of your transcript of will were growing vegetables broth
but don't give out the founder like to hit don't be formed veteran any with a complicated
how
he says that i have is that is a well-established reputation
a two party that works to that situation
my trouble is a big tradition like your you find everything in it and you can justify everything by going back to history and we're not finding a prisoner but it's a committed the most the strongest and best the most valid christian tradition is the lord's prayer for videotape for a month rather than to dip
on begging
when our on congregation was founded in the eleventh century i think that
thank on hold for instance new said nobleman and wealthy man in as a hermitage is a monastery it might be pretty well endowed in small as they were they were taking care of so that the didn't have to live by the labour their own hands that was a special situation and at society it may have been okay today it doesn't seem to work that way
what are we fear that we should be self supporting and suppose we can how have you do with where we haven't arrived it hundred percents up to yeah we have this fruit cake which is the major things out for maybe
we paid a fifty percent of expensive now because fruitcake is at the most monastic
what you felt by growing for you will have
whether to work for a
that frightening and beautiful that we can do it but it bring her blog i'm a practical problem but better get going to be i met with if i were conservative where it can go up even have trouble keeping going and i think to feed yourself you know doing garden work but have you tried to do construction and in fact that way your life would be changed completely
so we we would have to give up on things like that
ah and get into the the productive type of were something to sell problem right a diverse nearly was fun
a second
maybe we're more
the world and yet in some sailors were were more medical by in down each other had come out into my mother has a about the habit in a monastery
yet hereto are connected or
henna hermitage they don't worry much about earning their bread and that centers widely supported by the monastery to the shop up their selves and to tourists and a monastery that she sought to the support opposed to a locker which the magnitude very much like shirt coaching or that cordial like a guy billion thank you tell
in an and very popular in italy but the key a support than they have hospitality to have a big guest house and in the summertime many a priest and other people can never make retreats
and another choice of supported the pharmacy that they had finally they made their own medicine not enough with is still popular for that's all in a monastery down below and advantage largely because i think unabated wrap and unabated the requirements
unabated have offered it's another store of a parameter and felt don't really get the by going by their own work would probably be impossible anyway
way that you said you can't you working on self sufficient in something like maybe a little minor things with the other pretty comes from well partly from a donations we still have people rolling out in we don't ask for it we sent out a newsletter you know i'm trying to respond with
but don't i think you will get your own put together at one time we we asked for my head when we needed it for the construction time another time we were finding out employee return on veloce know
the and an automatic now instead of an infant good
our conscience bother his last year with that doing that but they killed them for money and then what we have what we got mastitis and we it the sacrifice of the mad and people requested to do that for their intention and the certain
understood agreement that that you send those are not break for bad credit and that's an appreciable anchor because we have
get ten pages and fifty pounds i'm an animal they were
as a dip of one of your face to it a say
a former sacrifice a or someone a ritual sacrifice posted online and be reimbursed for that the which was so well and i get the parallelism perfect but if you prefer a funeral service with somebody and then i give you a watermelon okay
has the same thing here people as watermelons and atkins to celebrate they sacrifice in a match for him because if you're not a catholic maybe the the master mean by much too much like that i spend his money for that when it comes to credit credit for that customer is
appearing ounce or probably will not be able to rely much on
do you feel about the
possibility of revitalization of catholic church through were monastic
you take the kind of the efforts that you're making or we have a lot of out era for is on a pretty small scale of course but i think that the spiritual average monastic ever to have an importance which goes far beyond the number of people and verbena because it's kind of an essential element in the to nip had disappeared while you lose a lot of other things
term i don't know how many people will be influenced actually it is a lot of hope now and revitalizing the true sense the vatican council the few years ago
with a lot of new life it's appearing
surprising thing in the catholic church which has been pretty rigid and and conservative for many centuries now
how many runs as i have
how many rooms were met that enter castle
centuries interior castle seven and they're like and to it were made a bird
i'm glad i guess think of a circular house with a chamber in the center and then six others six or the concentric circles roger lodge it going out
and horizontal and so you go into the center all the time and in the center of course is it god is christ which is the ultimate state in the spiritual right
and she has experienced all of this you see instead it down in her and range
okay
are very near to the a pocket reputation and image books doubleday and many books as i wrote a biography and i think the interior castle then i got to find them
ha
about
of the half the oppressed
i could become to describe your work actually would happen in the afternoon my bet it
the but that's
miss the center of christian right recovered the lord's supper
and
what consists of to me
i'm trunk the liturgy of the room
which is really as you slow movie
reading scripture
and then i can see so kind of a
which again has that you will held precedent
move for the king
but i didn't understand it
i'm counting a reference book of know
that we've got one who said with wheels just before the passover or even more significant changes new
maybe red wine
the first christian century christians continue to travel
and they after to and the way which was the words on fine
but then the time
israel
have you lived
i'm in christian put a plan
he broke apart i'm a christian thing night it was in that will make to break into a good handle on ammo was a good accompaniment
the appropriate tag you it
he had this restaurant and a view will maybe with the new testament are never the end of the cash for you find it and so in some way that the
the communion in the body and but of the road that he wrote credible revolting and approach to confirm some unpacking and yet they believe it or a dessert when he left us himself with person in that bread and wine that we can serve and at the same time as a reproduction of the fact that
if i not because we turn on the crowd was a sacrifice for the salvation of man so all of that ended too stupid to the political and what extent
and it's the function the think are the to get a muslim received the moment
like going to
me off unsure of the reality
hum
what was impounded a very careful
provided to on
i am part of the christian fiction
recap will just be to do that too without judging panel to what this will be
i'm in went for one who would like to try to approach and and version
why not so much my mama
i'm completely take sushi up it to know between with
not that it's always a deep experience and psychologically or it may not always be that impression he will get a paper to participate from it and we'd have to go wrong in what we call now and obscurity getting our ordinary life
and yet we believe it at all of that does in french and english that graduate what we perform
and the liquid job means thanksgiving comes from the greek thanksgiving
happen

the concept first of all this goes back to something we're talking a gets us into pretty deep water gets a little complicated to
hey we were talking about the two persons of god and man and are being distinct now between two persons you can have a relationship or friendship or you can have a relationship no relationship and it's a separation or relationship
discouraging will believe it in the beginning a relationship with want a friendship but due to send you to an offensive man something that he did he became separated from god and entered it the most analogous concept i think an annual tradition and ignorance but did he fell
and to meaninglessness and took ignorance into oblivion and to
confusion and to slavery and when she needs liberation when we believe that it christ in his sacrifice and the curve by his death by his right and his teaching and then ultimately by his death on the cross
and seed potentially
a restored man completely to is is unity unity with god that he added and beginning in fact went beyond what he added the beginning by making man i got himself in a way by uniting needs to person so closely you see that they live one life which is the thing that we can do with another human person we can't
live the same right
and this is what we believe it it cries bring this back took to the salvation is not merely a salvation from sin at a negative her department a path is it on film it by being reunited with terrific intimacy with god and we believe that this will
take place ultimately a see it at the last time in heaven we don't really think of of a place for granting of the state but that it can be anticipated in this right and this is what happens with these a contemplative by interracial realized already in the flesh image right before debt
yeah some taste and a very substantial fail to this ultimate union with guy he think realization forget is important and to
when
but very few attain and so to say to say that i should have it might be wrong may be on that destined to have it easy but to strive for it at the case it's very worthwhile
hundred degree
yeah
i'm she describes him the network the those speaking up
and
home
your been here in guy
yeah
maybe there are two areas there's ever learned to that i think of earth is it the practice of meditation
one of the biggest difficulty we pride in our own monastic tradition is not enough appreciation the a deep meditation music i talked before about a kind of meditation which was thinking process you did are thinking process powered by a feeling crisis you know an emotional thing but you have to get deeper than that if
you want really to get to the spiritual level well in our tradition that have sort of dried up
it existed the st teresa i was a terrific get that the woman that we were just talking in that she really wanted to the end as did take down on the crotch and they wrote about it afterwards but
for most of our tradition that has rather dried up until we find it
for instance and there's an appreciation of technical means for bringing herself to a contemplative repos that doesn't exist or hasn't existed for long island on on church
and we find the actuality we find people who have been able to arrive at some contemplative realization that methods so that we admire him and we want to learn about
also
we're interested in the setup of the monastic life
that is the relation of a teacher to decipher for instance one of the most significant things that were many other thing and how people live their lives to get into how are they observe silence where the way of solitude and lives what kind of work they do a kind of questions that you've been asking me
about how like by the same thing we're interested in nearby
i came through
all mentions of the tradition by one thanks
starting to come in contact with something is
for thousand two thousand well i'm running by another but even some food isn't our hands
from i one think so
the path into the
take a guys monks i made available my version gave everything he had to it
i certainly think of
during an impassible month
like can manage time be a team
i'm
i like very much just to quietly dropped me to great man went path
won't get into halloween
and that's all right
bush
certain universality and asked to slip
that is strangely independent of a different religion
i don't understand it accepted as a monastic an or and a contemplative instinct and man
independent or he believed that but his his basement be are not saying that's more important than what he believes now but it has to be recognized with
the all of us in a bang way are seeking we're moving towards the same point in our own being at least we're moving towards the area of the spirit that is the deep area now what we find them and depend upon a different orientation i different really concerned maybe the on what we expect a find
can candy a to idea
i believe have one
the buddha
nobody can
at least through have good for
but that use realized on the one person
well to have had a high yield to enable them to to advocate
my was a is comparable to ideals
we don't we're getting
can be out soon
handle the will
as well
before i spoke up
the content to sacrifice
i'll be very different
in crowded condition and brother is in and a neighbor of jewish tradition
the jewish tradition
man attempted in some way to make a gesture
friendship droid the guy right my sacrifice the ordinary sacrifices they've made with the bot killing a lot of animal which certainly not appearing to to the benefits because they had other countries that have recommended the brain
yeah i think they give them something like offering something to spirits are hoping something to it
yeah yeah oh yeah
don't know how much real significance attached to you to think that to
it is difficult to to explain that but i hear sacrifice that they had because we no longer share it either i was when we think of sacrifice we christians we think in the sacrifice of christ
and we don't have that that which background with the jews out i'm meeting up to the sacrifice of friends
but for the sacrifice of christ is
man effort to
i town or the sin of all of that man's effort to bring himself back to god
across this a bit but they've been a beverage front man then and who would be the solidarity of rome and role and walk into my one we all share in gonna suffering in our common misery and are gonna been about it we're all in that way responsible for what an act the relevant
well cried at the man offered himself and the for a pound problem with my god right now but christ was at the same time got
we will go become that him back fried liquid from every other back the for it could be adequate but no one man certainly could account for the right day when you're in trouble and deep trouble and someone comes to offer you a m and you insulted or you slapped his face or something i think gratitude in the
the a real gift of love which is precisely what happened on the part of the human race and they could the bike right
it can repeat the hand that it extended to you to lift you out of your mentoring and at the same time to insult the together the one who loves you
we can all think in our own as probably some actor appeared ingratitude perhaps towards your mother or father they give the some reflection or worth that must be and for christ it at once the revelation or man potential component
the looking at price on the road with a male been a ham with a revelation of the worst that man can do
at the same time or revelation event potential hundreds of and self-sacrifice because great rather more sacrificing himself and at the same time a revelation of god's mercy in doing that
and his own son will undergo that on the of sent from them
and this is what does hard to argue with am i right now
is an objective wander on
andrew
there's something we begin by believing and only gradually understand
when will we begin at faith which is acceptance expecting to understand later than
expecting more light to come from the meditation of these things rather than it does to some name
that's kind of the
a biblical expression which has been interpreted and sixty seven different ways and sometimes in the bible just mean the man to be a son of man and for the jews with me just to be another man
but jesus himself use that expression of and so
and so when he says the son of man must be persecuted and must die because the must rise again he's talking about himself and which put him the son of man mean myself instead of using i uses the son of man he in the third person and i sort of band go back to the book
of daniel
for it says
he talks about a patient or urban and wish an ancient run for we seem to represent god the product is seated on a wrong and a son of man appears before him and to that son of man has given our and glory and dominion and so forth so that is as it were the glorification of christ
in the presence of the product evidently after his crucifixion and resurrection and so on so when christ use that expression of himself he seemed to be referring back to the book of daniel in the old testament and which i prophesy occurs so referring to a bigger would have to separate and afterward would be notified
that's the way most of them understand it now
why not
no question
carrie efficiently with christian grappled with the question of good
you happy
just to prove
he would like to have questions
christian
cruise
for now
can't much not the
need to be no longer lasting
when requesting reaches a certain tracks on
that's very important it is a central point and both what isn't christianity with the problem of separate he was with used toyota the book of job and from canada
the bullet approaches one and a new post your christ mileage going through suffering by as was swallowing suffering on and and gross swaddling debt swallowing the worst
he talked about drinking his chairs are being baptized with the baptism and debt is is suffering are being shown when you add underwater
robert you can undergo that was installation to the bathroom and separate
want to do while

many christians to room
christianity is a belief that we find right and other night actually a shared a life of god in a transcendent by through death
that's all of it in a nutshell will throw in some way imitating christ following christ with the spirit in us forget which we armas that cause everybody must know that there are different ways of doing it
and if we do it the way christ did it then eternal life right before i cause he didn't it that all of a good bottle i did not done it it wouldn't be possible for it up
how to for a year rolls around two hundred help that we as a doctrine and a catholic church of baseball purgatory where if a person is not verified and happiness right too much go to be further eloquent and it's similar for the idea i think they are
when he go to transmigration of souls summer look to parallel you need by the purification after this right that over there is a place where you can do it was not too comfortable
a charm packs of perfume
the can i would describe do yet
well
sometimes he describes it as if it were purgatory in this rivalry i was going to that ain't for purification in this right for that one doesn't have to do with an excellent can we believe that certain people aren't here up at the end of their lives that they don't have to undergo that
men especially traditions or that with your commodities and it brought to die for that pay
whoa

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have we
the richard
no case of how
have no issue

what i believe that
in a certain way these techniques and aided
do
and as i was taking a realization but we believe that ultimately this realization must come as a gift added another paradox of christianity it for a paradox which which should be appealing to you because origin and to do better think that we can and we can break down and and under
send that out my
we believe that we have to exert ourselves we have to make an effort and he's techniques of course we're proud of that effort
and yet that the realization itself must be a gift with a gift of gun and it's not something you can grab an episode of integration but not something you can and i believe that that you believe it to have hundred worry that if you can't seize it and right
a minute or something it
did you get through grasping or even in the pack even though the grass is for all those technique and yet the technique to play a private room
a very pretty subordinate corner

mean like
psychology
we talking about
a race religion
we can find
what's more impatient
yes i think that's true whatever comes to us must come through the same human machine if it were the same eleven
makeup
yes
whenever we talk about experience that are were talking in the same the same met with same thing
the monastic life
striking yes
come from
yes exactly

mean difference
he was going to pop of the for that matter
i hit about for right now
how do you feel anyway
good age

have you been prepared
me
yes
green and
where's
right
read next meeting

how much
compression be
now we're aware of that a lack in christiania recent increase in christianity
there was in a certain tradition was called the as the cast tradition and and is that it matters in greece or i used to the body something like that was a certain area with yoga to a form of concentrated meditation which he certain posture answered in a darkened room he like a physical effort actually
but we sort of thing is usually frowned upon christianity were maybe the
the best for a multivariable think that is used in recent years of breathing along with his prayer of jesus returning about before
that is a uniting and and way the bird is it when you're breathing and i thought about an experience called the descent of the mind into the heart
which is why you stopped thinking on and the brain level and he didn't to a more simplified have one with meditation menaces is often
the greening used with recommended in order to get the dignity
well that's about as far as christianity has gone
was i know in incorporating the party or can cook county has taken another arch and negative attitude toward the battle had always it often and then it was something to be subjugated put under a killer
which appointed to and yet we are a body goat
i don't we find something a loan image in a respect
the twenty us is out thought we can incorporate something like that went into our prayer because at a certain point that may be a a divergence are you have to make a choice whether to continue towards the void that it continued to empty with it was dragged was nothing
or to continue to carry something along with you and i like the memory of god or something like that for me is a problem for
hang our homes to the closest the last question
he will be more
well we were gonna pick the registered pepper
we did have some system that will try to make a foundation in the country they can incrementally also but unfortunately i think of bread
no effort two or three years in texas
and they couldn't make a brother
no chemicals anything
wild
not a crook and like they do do think that very emma i still don't have any whenever or
woman anna for grow you know i'm in canada or mexico i don't know that even read his book
what hacker i think of room

and france
yes it's bedtime where
thank you very much