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Rigpa adulthood

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Yes, that's the first. It's the union of registers between this peg. It's the sound cuts to it. It's the one that... It's not necessarily the master made this peg. Somebody designed something else. But, you know, often the peg is there. If you throw it to the teacher, maybe it's not the best peg. And then when the peg is there... Suddenly at that moment, you see, that will make your mind completely go... What is important is that is not what you feel. Just that sound. That's not the sound. Don't mistake. Many people mistake. That, you can tell me. They think that is the guitar. No. That's a good mistake to make another. You know? You understand? That's a good skill. Because your mind will go like this. But in that moment,

[01:01]

the teacher says, suddenly, it's not the peg that he does. Immediately after, if you sit with him, if you sit with him, if you sit with him, and sometimes you see through his eyes, or maybe his ears, or something, and you say, something kind of rough, something is happening, something is an incident. In the incident, in the construction of the peg, you can tell. It's an air. You can tell. The way life is, you can tell. Immediately, I mean, if you look at the life of a master, the turning point is when you introduce a new technique. So, in my case, I was introduced

[02:02]

when I was six, seven years old. I remember that so well. My master called me. He said, it was a special cable that I was involved in, called monterey. It was a very good cable connection. They discovered, many times, that monterey was a very special place. I never heard of monterey. I said, let me discuss it. Just maybe it's a good idea. And without even questioning it, you just move it into the ground, and you give invocations. And you invoke all your masters. And I knew something was wrong. So, I was patting on this little bit. Finally, it was going to be the ground,

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and I had to cut it. Because the ground was suddenly sad, and I needed to cut it. And at that moment, my mind was completely blown. There was no question. There was no question. It was an experience. It just stuck with me. And then later onwards, when I received all the teachings of the Buddha, so did the experience become a group, and developed, and blossomed. It grew. And for the group, it was great luck. It was extraordinary. Extraordinary luck. It was a very kind thing that I had found. Day after day, year after year, it kept continuing to do this. Because it's translated, it's extraordinary. And it grew.

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And it's a very good thing. Same thing, from the beginning, to the end, to the beginning, to the end. There is no option but something like that. That's if you don't have the opportunity to learn. Like what His Holiness Dalai Lama said, it's true what His Holiness Dalai Lama said. Very true. His Holiness Dalai Lama was listening, not really listening, but he paid attention. He gave an extraordinary teaching on Buddhadharma, from the beginning up to doctrine. And he said something there. He said that what is a mistake sometimes, he said, and I have a doctrine practice, you know, sometimes a mistake is that we tend to take on a very essentialized path of practice of the great masters, which is all of the dead. And just,

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it's like an excuse to be lazy. Because it's very short. Just to be hybridized. Of course, in the hybridized, everything is dead. But that's the realization of that master. Are we on that level to realize the real meaning of His performance or not? That's the question. That's why he says it's important for us to study larger Buddhist doctrines. And study very much so that we actually realize the meaning of this essentialized. It's that when we really learn that this is dead, we can understand the very profoundness of the very secret instruction in the short and the long. It's a very important point. And that is very true. So that's why sometimes we need to also study the doctrine too. We need to receive the teachings more and more and more in order to be clear of the theory. But then you see, there's another approach as the Germans used to do either. Without studying big, big texts on doctrine. Just keep

[06:06]

hitting the same essence. The [...] same essence. Keep hitting the same essence. Same essence. Same essence. And after a while, just run from it. It has the same effect as studying large texts. You know what I mean? And that's the approach I follow. Because I know that he won't study. You know, at the time, we were just a pair of eggs travelling. But he was extremely graceful. He cared to grace especially the Americans for one weekend with a tremendous sacrifice. Because we were all extremely busy. There were so many important things. You know what I mean? So many important aspects. Irresponsibility. So many things.

[07:08]

I know it's important. But in the final analysis of things, what is important, really? Something we have to really consider. We must consider something on the eventual level. This is very visibly. Visibly, we think of a long cycle. Not just to think. Just what people call being practical. Sometimes being practical is not having vision. Sometimes. You know what I mean? Sometimes practical can be wrongly understood. Without vision, you're just going on doing things. What jobs you get. And you just keep living for what you say. Just making an end as God leaves. That's called easy business. Sometimes it's all kind of a machine. Just get a copper. You know this

[08:10]

in your life. How do you get copper? If you just allow, if you don't just allow things to take off. It doesn't work. You know what's very interesting? Job police. You know job police? He came to me to talk to me about that. He's really insane. He's saying now he's not happy at all. He said that he wants to stop someone from doing these things. But the trouble is that he has so many promises that he'd make with all kinds of noise. But he's making one last promise to all directors he's going to come soon I think. And he never ever would make it if he didn't make it. To another strength. He says he really wants him to take on. Because he said this machine is terrible. And he had to learn his way from him. He seriously wants to stop this machine. He's going to come to California to die so I'm not going to come. So

[09:12]

anyway. So what I'm trying to say is generally what happens is the machine continues to catch you. And it's from time to time you need to stop and realize you have life. It's called preparation for death. Preparation for death is looking through the lens and how your life is. Because who knows you might die, you might die and death can come and go and it goes on after you die. There's Those things could just become academic. You just suddenly die in your sleep, in a car crash. There are so many ways to die. In some ways, always we expect it. President Zayyad of Pakistan, he expected it was going to explode.

[10:13]

He didn't know. Nobody expected that. Today, Khandro was saying, he came to this room today. And he felt a little bit sad. Because he was looking at Khandro, which is next. He says, he's gone. So he's also... Then she came last time. She said, Jumper. Jumper is gone. There's a taxi came upstairs. He didn't open. He's gone. He had left here. They knew that he had left here. All people told him. All the Dalai Lama was talking about this time. All the familiar face goes. My teacher is gone. My teacher is gone. All familiar. It's not enough. No. We can't expect everything to be just always the same. Things will get things. We'll just continue as it is. Is what is called the conditioning. Believing in permanence is that. And changes will happen anyway.

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But you keep hoping for the same old thing to continue. You know, it's what is called believing in permanence. It's very important for us to actually do so. We expect. I'll be saying this time more and more now. Because I would like you to really just make some planning. Because in Europe and in the West, in America, if you don't plan, you'll die spontaneously. Very spontaneously. You have to plan. Look into your eyes. Plan a little ahead. For your retirement. You make no plan. You go for retirement. Or, also, there's an island in Australia. Dubai.

[12:17]

No, it's not just... No joke, seriously. If you want to take over, you can take now. It's already a big holiday resort. Switch off the tape. It's already a resort. It belongs to a student of mine. The only thing is that there's another partner who owns just one third and one quarter of this. So you can buy it from there. Otherwise, it's a holiday resort. Just near the big country. Great Reef. There's an airport. There's a place for 400 people. There's an airstrip. Everything. And in the whole, there are seven beaches which are completely unspoiled. And it's a booming holiday resort which you can bring money. And then there's a little smaller island nearer to Sydney called Freedom Island. It's another island. This island is called Linden Island. Linden Island. And in fact, this girl who's

[13:20]

doing nothing, her name's Linden. And this time when I go to Australia, I'm coming to visit that. I'm taking one week off to go and visit Freedom Island and Linden Island. Go to see it. There's also some possibility to invest from the suitors. You might buy it. And you may eventually make it into a conference center and things. Because you've got to think of the future. Think of the future. In case of some eventuality, California goes because of earthquakes. Linden Island. This is an extraordinarily big island. This place we have. It just came to me. This person gave it to me. Whole heartedly. It was 12 hours old. And extraordinarily big. It's got a big surf. A big surf and then up to that.

[14:21]

You could get to the mountains. And it's very... It's completely absent. It's outspoken. There's no factories around. In fact, everybody in the region has moved away. Because of hurricanes. So it's completely... It's a wonderful place to come. In fact, many of my English students are here. And so, you see, in my work I crystallize it. And in London now, I don't know whether you've received this appeal from the centre about making one major city centre. No. We're going to develop an international centre. A model. We're going to bring all different territories. We're going to open a different mini-field. There's going to be a practice and a teaching centre but also different disciplines will be brought. Because they're already either incorporated and this is a great opportunity to do the experiment. To see how it works.

[15:22]

To invite many different masters. I've spoken to many different masters. I've spoken to children of that kind of vision and others. And they're all very enthusiastic about helping. And they're also many helpers and friends I have. Anyway. So what I'm saying is that, you see, I'm also making these plans. And also you should do so too. And all this is on the point because we don't have too much time. Because we are very busy. Isn't it very funny? I mean, sometimes it's very good for you to think about this. That things that you really like to spend time and do, you don't have time for it. Let's go some time. But you can change that.

[16:22]

Anyway. So the main point is to hit the field again and again and again. Then nothing happens. Alright. Maybe we stop there. Now. Is that clear? Any questions about me? I haven't introduced you yet. Then it was supposed to come this year. Then it's coming next year. Maybe the year after it will come. It's called The History and the Fundamentals of Nyingmata. It's going to be 1500 pages. It took 15 years to translate. By many translators. It's going to be this thick. And it's by Digimon. This is the classic work. The History. This will explain all the background. Probably that part of the book is sufficient for the rest of the book. But the only problem with the

[17:28]

books is that the translation and the way the words are used it's very important for you to try to understand what the translate is. Try to convey the words. That's where the problem lies. So often I don't recommend books because I don't know how the translation is and so on. You know what I mean? Like for example there's one book called The Tantic Approach to Nyingmata. It's not a book. Which is atrocious. People say it's very good but it's not atrocious in the language. They call it exorcism. You think that it uses the terminology. This is a rather interesting approach. So we have quite a lot of humor in the books. Then of course you see there are very few books that kindly bend the easel which requires another dictionary. The Tantic Approach

[18:32]

not only in the in the in the books So that's it. Any other questions? I find it very niche. We've started doing something recently that each retreat in fact I've just showed Christy already. The last Easter retreat is already in the book. This summer retreat is quite a bit of going across that will appear in the book. I hope the same will happen in the United States also. So that each retreat will be in the book by this weekend. With all this talk about the book. I think sometimes

[19:32]

we've got to be meek with sometimes In that way I think I would more say that if there are more teachings which are oral transmission type teachings those are more useful So we can take a break now. Potentially it's good If you look for the Italian it's a series of answers and questions regarding regarding Tantricism series of questions and it's translated by one of these Italian students in Italian in Italian I think we are hoping to make it appear in English So here on the bottom it says first keep your mind relaxed

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First is the letter in the introduction the first is that first keep your mind relaxed neither scattered nor concentrated remain without rising up while resting loosely in the even state of quietness then all beings fall if you cut the matter it means that all beings fall That's the introduction Now out of the method stay out, stay down you see Namaskar

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Namaskar And particularly in a teaching environment in a teaching environment in a teaching environment you see like in a teaching environment suddenly suddenly your mindfulness vanishes and you wake up and you become more mindful and more aware Don't even think about this OK That goes to something It just matters Nothing is predictable In a sense you just take something

[22:52]

and it leaves suddenly So we left yesterday I think what I am going to do is instead of for example listening to the tape which might be I mean I noticed that the tape first of all because of the German and the French translation it looks and then also the second tape is completely blank so therefore you cannot play it There has to be a little mind break So let's say for the purpose of just you know, clarification we go back to the point

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where we left off after the autumn break Remember when you said it was quite a hot session You said it was a hot session Did I? Yes That's right It was a hot session What kind of human would you call that now? I'm not even going to go there No No

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No Alright, now the second tape We will come to the part where I spoke about the interruption When the master effects that by for example after the pet at that very instant when he suddenly attacks the pet I mean as we said in here in Thyssen-Erik Pet Suddenly the out of mind shaking pet fears possible a breath and a hope and a hope is a wonderful marvelous It's a kind of It's a kind of Yes It's a kind of Hmm

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Next explanation What kind of one Allah Allah And Then what I was saying is in that particular moment when one that particular moment that particular state is called I explained it yesterday and what I was saying what I left of yesterday saying that the is not the state of but rather

[27:39]

is a kind of is very most or to put it more precisely is that when the master suddenly does the pet at that moment it's not that instant when he does pet because when he does the pet what he does is he destroys the conceptual mind as Thyssen would put it it's more like cutting a you know the you know the string of a mallet when you cut all the strings fall apart, it's like all your conceptual chain of mind is kind of cut and so that your mind is completely shattered or your thinking mind is completely put aside you know and in that particular moment of gap in that moment you see then kind of in that moment this transmission, in that moment if you're for example really

[28:40]

open and you're for example with the master in that particular moment which could be through his gaze here the eyes are shooting forward in many ways I find in Dzogchen the practice the eye contact is very important and so that could be in a kind of a could be in in the in the gaze or could be the expression on the face of the teacher where he is sitting or at that particular moment something is transmitted which in many ways beyond words and in that moment you could get a glimpse of how open you are how there is a meeting of minds

[29:42]

in the present part of the teacher and that's where the transmission takes place and particularly the teacher transmitted that particular moment and then if you receive it and then in that thing there's something like a rippa kind of how do you say, rippa kind of rises or there's a repetition of it and it's very very very very vivid as it says here, very vivid kind of all penetrating all penetrating all penetrating means it's like meaning it's completely clear it's like suddenly the roof rises open and everything is just like the top of the roof of a mountain something like that completely unobstructed I don't know if you know how to demonstrate this by taking a sword

[30:43]

and like reaching to stand this is the unstruckness but for samatha state of rippa and also I it was this winter when it took weekend when he gave teachings to my students pointing out instruction at that time he did the introduction and he did it this way, he said look normally your mind is like this kind of he said ok when I turn my hand he said I want you to bring your mind into line, very quickly it has to be very quick and when he did this and he did that, at that particular moment he banged the table very very hard very hard so there was a kind of a thunderous noise which kind of surprised people because they were not expecting that

[31:43]

because he didn't say it was a crash it was a kind of a complete surprise at that moment those of you who care to look into his face his face changed it completely changed for him to laugh completely changed like he really had spurt up in his meditation it's like everything came into his face and there was a flash for a moment and then if you are a practitioner if you know what practice is, if you know what perceiving transmission is and then if you knew that and if you had the openness of mind and the heart at that particular moment, you will get it good do you understand so in a sense when he did the introduction at that time it was very it was interesting it was it made me realize that really the main point is that the flash that comes

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immediately after that from the tail or the sounding of the table or whatever it really helps you helps you and it's something very intense something as as the great master Garg Yogi the first Indian doctrine master as he said when from out of the primordially pure Dharma-dharma suddenly ripple rises and within it is an insane recognition it is like finding a precious jewel in the depth of the ocean no one is responsible for this and that recognition it's really it's not so much how long it is it's time it doesn't matter sometimes there are certain experiences

[33:46]

in our life and it has such a profound effect it doesn't mean that experience will have to pervade your being for a long long time, that could be the case but generally the experience is just instantaneous and the main point is that once this introduction has been effected, immediately one actually rests in the confidence of the new one sits in that and just abides by that that is really the main point of practicing just resting in the new which is new quietly abiding by undisturbed neither trying to meditate nor undisturbed you know what I mean? so is that clear?

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I remember as I was saying yesterday in some ways I tell you frankly I tell you some things which are actually kind of secret I tell you but I don't know sometimes people don't appreciate very much I mean some do but because it's given quite easily because you know I give it quite easily even without preliminaries without preliminary warnings and I just give it but in a sense that people sometimes don't appreciate I was told that in America if you charge seminars very high prices, then people think it must be really worth whereas if you charge something cheaply, people think it's not really worth, you know what I mean? it's all to do with our kind of conditioning and we need certain drawing up

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anyway, so I hope you realize because what I'm trying to explain to you really depends on what you call secret instruction I'm trying to give you give my best, give your best I always do that, in every teaching I try to do but not often you give your best that's the difference I'm doing this more and more so because what I really hope and wish that you get rid of your suffering and that you get rid of the confusion by the beautiful person that once in years will really introduce you you see, and also another thing is that actually sometimes even though you know how good it is but sometimes we ourselves come in between that, obstructs you know what I mean? we hesitate, we are afraid

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we doubt, all kinds of things come in in a sense of not ready to it takes a while but slowly slowly I hope you get, that's why I keep on coming the same teaching which is in a sense at the base of the whole conversion again and again so that in some ways I was thinking yesterday is that even though I teach many of you don't practice anyway the only time you practice is when you hear me teach again so in a sense when I teach again, it's like the practice is again, going over, it's a revision but yet with a new meaning I always, because for example for this main point of the view to some point and that these things that I'm explaining about how it really is when it's really introduced you don't hear the masters actually speak about it, they don't normally speak about it

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even the Dzogchen masters normally talk of Dzogchen quite openly they, if you look at it really carefully, they give a more explanatory, it is experiential you can see the power of it they don't explain it so precisely so actually how do you say confidential in a sense that the way I'm teaching now is something that's done when a teacher actually teaches the, how do you say to his, the most favourite the most special student when he teaches, he teaches that but I do this, maybe sometimes I think I shouldn't do this because sometimes I think maybe if you don't appreciate if I do this, maybe I just don't it's not that

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I need your appreciation for my teachings, it's not both it's more of your appreciation of what's happening and to recognise it and the recognition and the appreciation itself sometimes helps you recognise it in some ways we have to really create create receptivity and like for example even with my own teachers sometimes they teach, they say how precious the teachings are how incredible these opportunities are, when they say that when they say that, even though they don't really say it, you can see but when they say it, then suddenly you remember, ah yes you suddenly remember, so how fortunate we are how fortunate we are, these teachings which are a legacy

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of the way Tokshin Master is being available now and it's through these teachings that one can actually gain the direction in this very life and that you will receive it's like for many of us we have kind of an idea that we will get it later sometime when we're ready or when we do practice retreats you know I know from my own life that I always used to think I will get these teachings later and later I will do it easier and better and have more time but unfortunately afterwards there's no time the teacher dies or something happens so anyway the only time is when you receive it that's the time not to miss it because afterwards there's regret afterwards because the opportunity is gone you know what I'm saying and so I say that it creates kind of a certain awareness in you about it and then also you see

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again some of you might not actually realize the performance of this what I'm saying that also sometimes it also depends very much on one's hearing one's acoustics so it's really that how much one knows one practices it's also a kind of a listening the more you are more profound you understand more profound your hearing is your acoustics is much better you know what I mean you hear it and begins when you hear the teaching actually begin resonating but also it means sometimes when you're not ready sometimes also I noticed I sometimes I mean there are cases that the teaching it does a way of purifying like for example people who are not ready kind of

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it works out I found that that's why I give the teaching openly but then I find that only the people who are ready it stays the rest can't stand it it's kind of a working on that because sometimes protectors they don't come out in homes and things it comes away in the 20th century 21st century style I don't know it's very difficult people becoming different ages becoming you know I noticed and also something very extraordinary this summer there was several French people they just happened to come they didn't they just heard of the retreat and they came French told them

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and they were actually not very mainly people mostly old people because we don't advertise very widely there's more Bibles than that I'm just wondering that's the more approach I'm taking more and more now it's it's and these people what I did was I tried to process all the people I have to sit with all the French people there are about 150 or 200 that sit with each one explain what their name is and what they feel what is going on with them and the confusion and the gravity so I was really sitting with a colleague and they were all quite strong Christians Catholics but they were very spiritually certain

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and they were a little bit confused about Christianity and Buddhism whether they were in the right situation they were a little bit confused so I kept that in mind but that's something that I admire very much about them they just kept on staying there in spite of the confusion they just kept on staying there and the last two days by the end of the last two days they were totally happy because there was no any confusion in their mind about Buddhism, Christianity no confusion because they found practice they found the spiritual lesson that's what really matters there is no such thing as Buddhism or Christian it's all practices so what I'm trying to say is there is a way of working out this is something extraordinary I find that there is a way of working out the confusions

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and you see it's very interesting I had to work like it's a little different here in California California in my opinion in Europe I had to work with a different mentality the Dutch have a particular humor particularly there are certain Dutch people who are very suspicious very suspicious by nature they don't like drama they don't like drama, they don't like theater they are very more factual and there is a particular humor so there are that type of people there are also others French, all different people and so in a sense I just kind of trust the teaching and let it happen so something extraordinary that's been happening lately in the few years now especially from last year is that actually more from this side opportunity

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more from this side what do you have to say how do you do it you know what I mean now in my case for example I always whenever I talk about this I always look back in my own experience how introduction has come into me for me and therefore I try to speak from that experience you know you understand and in that for example the first introduction I had from a master was one of the one which just blew my mind I was not ready I was not ready I think in one way I was ready that's why he gave it to me but myself I was not ready I was completely taken by surprise but that experience stayed with me so strongly

[47:27]

that I can still that room that we introduced I can still remember that room other places I've forgotten many places I've forgotten but that room sticks to my heart and where I sat when the master sat just the word he said it just completely pierced it it was enchanting quite extraordinary what I did experience is a state in your mind that was my inner especially for a child of 7 or 8 to experience that state was quite extraordinary then later in a sense was when I came of age I received healing but then it was the demons who because of his kindness and his compassion he was in a treatment at his own time and just kept on really

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he kept verbalizing my master transplanted it he kept verbalizing it through the oral transmission kept on then suddenly it's like in a sense it's very interesting that once I received from my master I realized it it was there but I was not so confident of it and it would come occasionally it would come, the confidence would rise depending on the inspiration situation I would see the inspiration the blessing, so I would see ah yes this is it, yes I know I was introduced and I recognized it but then it would go away when you are not so confident you know what I mean but then it slowly slowly and through the blessing of my master especially to him slowly slowly it stabilized it was not so much a dramatic reduction

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it just kept on stabilizing, kept on growing and then suddenly you realize it's gone and also with the human genealogy it's something quite extraordinary quite extraordinary but that was not the most important thing the important thing was just that day after day, year after year through his presence and through his compassion and through his being he began to receive yes, this is it when you through it when you kept on hearing that, receiving that it kind of existed it began to

[50:31]

and something also this is something I have been many people ask me that I am supposed to be an incarnation and the people ask me do you remember my past life do you remember events my answer is very simple, I don't I don't remember anything but then how can I be an incarnation what is there, what indication what confidence first is you see, because my master said I don't ask he can't be wrong so I just trust him but more so more my personal thing is that in some very extraordinary way is that without receiving

[51:35]

very much teaching or without doing very much formal studies I did quite a lot of formal studies but actually in some ways without doing really a lot of formal studies, I began to get the main point very easily I began to discover the main points by myself and I began to derive the main points and as a very young child I began to understand about emptiness for example, people used to say that emptiness is such a difficult concept and nobody can understand it, but even as a child I began to really understand, appreciate the kind of the emptiness the view, the middle view of emptiness not falling into extremity, I used to debate about that, actually quite a good understanding, and more so as I began to slowly to teach and suddenly you see it's like I began to discover in myself the teachings and we almost discovered it

[52:35]

so that a lot of things without actually learning just discovered by myself, and that was not enough because, I mean, also the thing is when you discover it, you can actually know whether it's valid or not from the way you experience the way you can check it out things that you're making now but I also caution people sometimes that how much is your ego and what is your intuition there is a real way of knowing what the intuitive wisdom is rising and what is being made by your ego ego is strong and you can actually quite easily distinguish that that's true so in that one can actually see quite clearly and then what was also amazing is that extraordinary music kept on happening I kept on discovering something and immediately even though on the same day or the next there was a gentleman which would speak on that thing which I had discovered

[53:38]

and he would confirm that and I would just laugh at myself because I already understood realised that it was like a confirmation without asking me so then slowly slowly it ended up that I didn't have to ask many questions at all I don't have to ask any questions at all, I began to build trust in my own wake up and in the transmission of the blessing that I received not so much bothering because some ways yes there are times you can also ask questions that is when you're really ready to ask the questions because ready to react but other times if you really stay and practise to be receptive and keep on practising and reflecting deeply but in a sense that you understand so many things I discovered this is something that I realised even more so that Dalai Lama said when he was in London recently he also said about he said something and he would great humility and he and I are completely

[54:39]

different, there is no comparison whatsoever but he was saying that in himself even though for instance in Dalai Lama he said he could not come back forward and the child he said he could remember a little more but the only thing he said that he could understand the most difficult concept, the most difficult teaching which normally Dalai Lama said it's very difficult but he said I could understand it very easily that's true you can have a two letters graph in a sense that's like the unfolding of the past memory past memory is not so much memory of events but the memory of wisdom the past wisdom awakens up that's what's called awakening awakening you see is like your rippa coming to agarwood your rippa becoming agarwood your rippa suddenly coming to age

[55:40]

rippa's awakening to agarwood and this is what we require when rippa begins to come to agarwood there is a kind of stability that happens you know what I mean then you find the anchor so anyway I don't know how relevant that one is but I told you so we will stop there and then Thangka will come we'll just have a few minutes break Vedam Vedam Se Se

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