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The talk explores key aspects of Zen philosophy, focusing on the teachings of Dogen, particularly regarding the concept of "shoho jisso" or the true reality of all beings. The discussion examines how Dogen's interpretation diverges from conventional Buddhist understandings by emphasizing that each being is intrinsically a manifestation of true reality. Through analysis of Dogen's writings, specifically Shobo Genzo, insights from the Lotus Sutra, and the works of Nagarjuna, the talk highlights the notion of interconnectedness and the practice of just sitting (zazen) as a direct experience of reality beyond concepts.

Referenced Texts and Authors:
- Dogen's Shobo Genzo: One of Dogen's seminal works, it contains the chapter "Shobo Jisso" which articulates his interpretations of Zen practice and teachings regarding true reality.
- Lotus Sutra: A key Mahayana Buddhist text that elaborates on fundamental Buddhist concepts such as the interconnectedness of all beings; referenced to show the shared Dharma among all Buddhas.
- Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka-karika: Cited to discuss the concept of emptiness and interdependent origination, encompassing both the emptiness and connectedness of beings.
- Heart Sutra: Its commentary in Shobo Genzo highlights Dogen's intention to dismantle traditional subject-object dichotomies. Avalokiteshvara's practice is discussed as the embodiment of this view.
- Tenzo Kyokun: An instruction by Dogen on the practice of mindful activity in the Zen kitchen, emphasizing integration of Zen practice into daily life as an expression of reality.

AI Suggested Title: Embracing Reality: Dogen's Zen Perspective

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In the last three lectures, I talked some information that might be helpful to understand what Dogen discussed about this expression, shoho jisso. And in the first lecture on Saturday, I talked on Buddha's teaching from Sutanipata. that is, you know, the basic cause of all the difficulties or problems, conflict, argument, quarrels and fighting came out of this contact between perception and nama rupa. And Buddha said, when there is a state with without ordinary perception, without disordered perception, without no perception, without any annihilation of perception, then the nama rupa cease to exist.

[01:19]

When nama rupa cease to exist, the problem cease to exist. But in our practice, It doesn't work so easily. We are practicing this state without ordinary perception, without disordered perception, without no perception, without any annihilation of perception. It's what we do in our Zen. When we let go of thought or opening the hand of thought, there's no perception. You know, in our sitting all thoughts, all different kinds of thoughts are coming up and going away. But we don't grasp any thought, just let them come up, let them go away. At this time there's perception, but still we don't grasp it.

[02:23]

I often say, I don't think thoughts, but thoughts are coming up. Thought is almost always there, but I don't think. You know, that is a time, you know, Nama Lupa as an object of our desire, our selfish, self-centered idea ceased to exist. But the you know, things, all beings, does not really cease to exist. All things reveals as it is, not as a nama rupa, but as a Buddha dharma. That is when Dogen said in Genjo Koan, when all dharmas are Buddha dharma. So when Dogen said in Genjo Koan, then all dharmas, Buddha dharma, all dharmas exist, cease to exist as a nama rupa.

[03:34]

It's a kind of a connection, kind of a, how can I say, man-made connection between me and that thing is cease to be. And that time, much deeper kind of a connection in the other network of interdependent origination revealed. That is the true reality, actually. And about these two realities, Dogen Zenji expressed in his poem, waka poem, something, for example, In the fall, when the colors of leaves on the trees are changing, so there are many different kind of colors covered the mountains.

[04:39]

And on that all different kind of colors, one time they had snow. So all different colors are covered with snow, all white. So there's a variety of colors and one color. These are kind of two layers of reality. Another example expressed, another poem is a poem about prostration, bowing. He said the poem is something like, in the field in the winter, so all, you know, grasses are covered with snow. Then there is a white heron, and he said the white heron, the bird,

[05:46]

hide itself within itself, with its own body. This is also the expression of these two realities, one and yet different. It's different and yet one, you know. That is for Dogen, not only Dogen, but this expression, shoho, jisso means. Shoho is all different things. Each and everything is different and unique. But all are jisso, true reality. That is one color. That is like a snow that covers with all different colors. And In our zazen we do the same thing, you know, all different conditions coming and going. But all such conditions are all just zazen, one color.

[06:55]

So one color and many colors are not one, but not two. both this reality include both that is what uh means and in the second lecture i introduced nagarjuna's verses from majamika karika and nagarjuna put emphasis on the one side of the reality of all beings as emptiness, formless, and no self-nature. And this morning I talked on the Lotus Sutra.

[07:57]

That Lotus Sutra shows us another side of the same reality, That is, everything is connected with everything within the network of interdependent origination. So what Nagarjuna discussed and the Lotus Sutra point out are two sides of the same reality. As individual beings, it's empty. There's no self-nature. Each and everything is connected with each and everything within the network of interdependent origination. Yes? But in that example of this rainbow leaf, you can only see one layer at a time, right? You can either see the white or you can see the colors underneath if there is a smell.

[09:02]

Well, that is, you know, what Tendai Chi said, contemplation of emptiness and provision and middle. You know, as a practice we see one layer at a time. One time we see the emptiness of all beings. but another time we see emptiness is nothing other than all beings. But as a third way of doing things, that is, middle or two, we should see both. And how can we do that? That's my question. That is what I'm saying. I mean, in our Dazhen. It's not thinking. We don't think. By thinking we cannot see both ways at the same time.

[10:05]

But just sit and letting go of whatever thought, that is a way of seeing. Does it make sense? And that is a very important question. And this is what I think Dogen is discussing in this First School of Shobo Genzo, how we can see both at the same time, as a two or middle. This chapter of Shobo Genzo, Shofo Jisso, was written, as it said in the final page, it was written in 1243, the ninth month of 1243. If you are not familiar with Dogen Venge's life, I have to say a little bit, this is a very important year in his life.

[11:15]

Dogen Zenji was born in 1200, and he became a monk in 1213. And every 10 years, he had a big change. In 23, he went to China. And in 33, he founded his own monastery named Koshouji. This is the first Japanese Soto Zen monastery, Koshouji. And 1243, the year he wrote this chapter, he left Koshō-ji in Kyoto and moved to Echizen to found Daigutsu-ji. And Daigutsu-ji is changed, Dogenzen changed this temple name from Daigutsu-ji to Heiji.

[12:22]

So 1243 is the year Dogen left Kyoto and moved to Echizen. That means 1244, the construction of Daigutsu-ji started, I think. And they completed in the fall. And they started to of a practice period in the year 1245. That means when he wrote this chapter of Shogo Genzo, he didn't have a temple. I mean, they moved to extend in the fall, seventh month. And this was written ninth month. Ninth month is in the solar calendar around November.

[13:29]

So it must be already cold. Anyway, at that time, Dogen and his sangha stayed in a very small, old temple named Yoshiminedera. And if there is a scale, you know, it's very close to Eheji. And it's top of the very steep hill. And now it's quite a big temple building exists, but it must be very small. And it said that temple didn't have kitchens. So at that time, in this year, Gikai, who will be the third abbot of Eiji, was Tenzo.

[14:33]

It said he had to cook in a house off the hill, and he had to carry the food each meal. It's a really steep hill. So they didn't have zendo. They didn't have dharma hall. They didn't have maybe small Buddha hall. That means he didn't give formal dharma discourses like he did at Koshoji. So he had plenty of time for writing. And in this year, before he then moved to Echizen. Let's see. He wrote five chapters of Shobo Genzo before seventh month.

[15:38]

And after moved to Echizen within this year, he wrote 21. So altogether 26 chapters of Shobo Genzo was written in this year. So this was very I think he was busy because he moved from Kyoto to Fukui Prefecture, and it's a long distance, not only by himself with his luggage, but the entire temple moved out from Kyoto and settled down in a small temple. So it must be a busy time. But somehow, in the history of writing of Shobo Genzo, This is the most productive year. I think Dogen Zenji is really kind of an amazing person. But I'm sure after he moved to Echizen, because they don't have monks hall or dharma hall, he had nothing to do but writing.

[16:55]

Probably that is why he wrote so many chapters of Shogun Zen. I think now we are ready to start to read Shogun Jiso. The first section is kind of introduction. manifestation of Buddha ancestor is the completely penetrated true reality. True reality is this soul. The true reality is all dharmas or beings. These all beings are shoho. So here he said, true form is all beings. All beings are such a form, such a nature, such a body, such a mind, such a world, such clouds and rain, such walking, standing, sitting and lying down, such anxiety, joy, movement and stillness.

[18:15]

Such a staff and a whisk, such picking up a flower and breaking into a smile, such dharma transmission and prediction, such studying and practicing, and such faithfulness of pine and integrity of bamboo. You know, often he wrote kind of a conclusion in the very beginning of his writing. So this is, in a sense, conclusion. This is the fact he wants to say in this writing. That means, as a Buddhist term, shoho jisso, or true reality of all beings, is something abstract, something which is in a sense hidden within the concrete beings.

[19:26]

But for Dogen's, as I said in the end of this morning's lecture, in Japanese Tendai, it is considered that all beings are itself true reality. So true reality is not something abstract, something hidden within each and every being. But each and every being is itself true reality. And that is what he is writing here. So his understanding of shoho jisso is kind of different from the common understanding of this word in the Buddhist philosophy. So he said, you know, each and everything we see and each and everything we do as a practice is

[20:38]

So first he said, Manifestation of Buddha Ancestor is the completely penetrated true reality. This is the original sentence in the Lotus Sutra is Yui Butsu, Yobutsu. NAI NO GU JIN SHOHO JISTO You are only Buddha.

[21:55]

You are together with Buddha. I don't know how to translate this word, but this means be able to. And gu jing is investigate or study thoroughly. Gu jing, gu is to study or investigate or also reach, like reach to the top of the mountain. And jing is completely. So in the Lotus Sutra it said, only Buddha together with Buddha, that means no human beings, only Buddha, can penetrate or completely investigate or understanding this true reality of all beings.

[23:18]

And this completely penetrated came from this Gujin in the first sentence. Manifestation of Buddha ancestor is the completely penetrated true reality, true reality or this soul. This means Buddha ancestors are nothing other than this soul. So, Fat Dogen want to do is, you know, this Buddha's, only Buddha together with Buddha is a subject of this sentence, and be able to penetrate is a verb, and this Shohoji-so is object, SVO. And he, I think, he wants to destroy this structure of subject, object, and verb.

[24:31]

He does the same thing when he discusses about the Heart Sutra in Shogō Genzo Maka Hanya Haramitsu, Maha Prajnaparamita, in the very beginning of Maka Hanya Haramitsu. This is a kind of a commentary on the Heart Sutra. Not commentary, but Dogen's comment on the Heart Sutra. And in the very beginning, he wrote as follows. The time of Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva practicing profound pranayama paramita is the whole body clearly seeing the emptiness of all five aggregates. This is a kind of a paraphrase of the first sentence of the Heart Sutra.

[25:36]

He only added the whole body. Otherwise, you know, all are from the Heart Sutra. This whole body is not only body, but whole body and mind. And he said, the five aggregates are forms, sensations, perceptions, predictions, I'm sorry, predilections, and consciousness. This is the five-fold prajna. A clear seeing is itself prajna. To unfold and manifest this essential truth, the Heart Sutra states that form is emptiness and emptiness is form. Form is nothing but form. Emptiness is nothing but emptiness.

[26:40]

One hundred blades of grass, ten thousand things. This means, you know, we think Avalokiteshvara is like a Buddha, and emptiness of five skandhas is an object. And he clearly sees, you know, the emptiness of five skandhas. You know, this is a subject, verb, and object. he wanted to destroy this structure. This structure, I mean, this way of thinking, we see this person see something with prajna or wisdom as emptiness. But, you know, Avalokiteshvara is nothing other than five skandhas.

[27:43]

There's nothing outside beside five skandhas. So then the Heart Sutra says, Avalokiteshvara clearly sees the emptiness of five skandhas. This Avalokiteshvara is, as a body and mind, five skandhas. So this is five skandhas clearly see the emptiness of five skandhas. So the subject and object is the same thing. And also usually we think wisdom is like a tool or device or aid to see things clearly, you know, like a reading glass. You know, I cannot read this, you know, this writing without this one. So, but when I put the reading glass, then I can read. So usually we think this prajna or wisdom is like a reading glass. something that enables us to read something I cannot read normally.

[28:50]

But that is, at least according to Dogen, that is not what the Heart Sutra wants to say. But, you know, the Avalokiteshvara and Prajna and Five Scandals are all the same thing. So there is no relation or structure of subject, verb, object. This is most kind of, how can I say, this structure of way of thinking is most against the reality of emptiness. Here is a person who want to see the reality and there is an object that is reality, and between subject and object there is a wisdom. And this is what Avalokiteshvara, voice of a deeply practicing prajnaparamita, clearly sees the emptiness of five skandhas.

[30:04]

This sentence itself is contradicted you know, with the reality these centers want to see, want to show us. So what Dogen wants us to do is destroy that structure. So my translation, the time of Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva practicing profound prajna paramita is the whole body clearly seeing the emptiness of all five aggregates. I think this doesn't make sense. You know, the subject of this sentence is the time. And after is the whole body. So the time is the whole body is not logical at all. So this doesn't make sense. But this is what Dogen wrote. So what he's doing, you know, writing in this way is he tried to

[31:12]

you know, destruct or deconstruct the way we think in order to show the reality that the Heart Sutra want to show us. So, you know, the word is a problem. So to write following our grammar and logic is also a problem. when we discussed about the reality beyond concept and world and thinking. So I think Dogen intentionally destroyed, you know, this structure and make us confused. So that was his purpose. So it's very natural that we don't understand That was his purpose, try to show us there's something we cannot deal with our way of thinking, our logic, our concept.

[32:22]

And the reality of emptiness is really that thing we cannot reach, we cannot handle, we cannot grasp with our conceptual way of thinking. That's the problem. So we are facing, you know, we have to think to understand what the Lotus Sutra or the Heart Sutra is saying using our logical mind. And yet, as far as we are using our logical mind, we don't read there. So how can we Or how can we see both form is emptiness and emptiness is form at the same time? Usually we can think form is empty at one time. This is a form, but this has no self-nature.

[33:26]

This is not permanent. This is not really. This is just a this thing as a reading glass is a collection of all different parts and it, you know, disappears sooner or later. So there's no such thing as called a pair of reading glass. So we can see emptiness of this thing. And next, I can see this emptiness somehow, you know, manifest itself as a pair of reading glass. next moment we can see, you know, another direction. But how we can do this at the same time? That is the point of, you know, Tendai teaching of seeing our three truths, ku, or emptiness, and ke, or provisional truth, and chu, the middle,

[34:30]

how can we see all this kind of a, it's not, how can I say, simple, flat, two-dimension logic, but this is at least three dimensions or more. So we can see from different sides to really see the truth or reality of one, you know, each and every being. Anyways, so as he says in the Shobo Genzo Makahane Haramitsu, Prajna is each and every thing, all beings. And here he's saying Buddha ancestor, or only Buddhas together with Buddhas. are nothing other than sho-ho-ji-so.

[35:31]

You know, when Dogen Zenji writes about self and all myriad dharmas in Denjo Koan, it's also important that the self is part of all myriad dharmas. So the self cannot be outside the all myriad dharmas and see, observe, objectively, but we are, self is always inside of vidyadharma. Same as, you know, we see the world, we always see the world from inside. We are born in the world, within the world, and we live in the world and we die in the world. We cannot get out of the world and see the world objectively like a god. We are here as a part of the world. That means we need to take a position. And when we have a position, you know, our view is limited.

[36:43]

So we cannot see this world as a whole. So our view and our thinking and judgment based on our view is limited. in a sense, self-centered. So it's not reality itself. How can we see this reality as a whole? This is the point of, you know, in the Heart Sutra, Prajna. And the answer For Dogen Zenji, it's just sit. When we just sit, there's no object. We only have the wall. So whatever coming up in our mind is illusion.

[37:45]

So there's no problem if we let go of everything. And when we sit in this way, When we really just sit, the separation between subject and object disappears. That means we put our entire body and mind, entire being, on the ground of reality of all beings. We don't see, we don't observe, we don't think about it. We just let go, or we just be there. That is the way we see the reality beyond thinking, the reality beyond separation between subject and object. So to see is really not to see. Not seeing is the only way we see that reality. I think that is the answer from Dogen, that how we can see both.

[38:50]

Using our mind we cannot see, but only within our practice of letting go of whatever thought come up. You know, we are there. And that is the only way we see, not see with our eyes, but we experience the oneness with all beings. So for Dogen, In Dogen's teaching, our practice of dazen is not a method to see the reality of all beings. But this sitting itself is prajna. And within this sitting, within this practice, we put entire being, entire body and mind on the ground of this network of interdependent origination. That's all. Please. When Bill Lee is writing this, is he writing, is it really in the function of the actual, what he's proposing this?

[40:07]

Could you say the first part again? I didn't hear. When he wrote, yeah. He is performing. Yes, using words and letters and using concept. So that is an important question. you know, when he think about reality of all beings. His thinking is not, his thinking is still, you know, using concept. But what he is doing using this concept is trying to destroy the concept.

[41:12]

So in a sense he's using his conceptual thinking in order to destroy the conceptual thinking and try to show the reality before conceptual thinking. That's why his writing is full of contradiction and paradox. He's writing something but next moment he negates it. And sometimes he affirms this something and next moment he negates that thing. So it's very interesting, you know. Is this still conceptual thinking or is it a part of function of true reality? Please, Branson. I was just trying to, there was a word there that you used and I didn't catch it. Something in the next moment is... It sounded like relating, but I... Negate.

[42:19]

What? Negate. Negate. Negate. Anyway, after a few sentences later, I think he said something about that. Please. A few lectures ago, you said, when the accomplished Buddha's dharamira-sravaka cease to be, the enlightened mind of the Pratyekabuddha comes forth from independent disengagement. And that's kind of the same idea, that from this conceptual mind, we can see disengagement from this. Yeah, that is Nagarjuna's verse. That is a kind of letting go of thought. Can you, all of a sudden, on your own, think of letting go of thought? When we think of letting go of thought, we are thinking, not letting go of thought. So letting go of thought can be done only within practice. I think it's possible.

[43:21]

Anyway, so what he's saying is Buddhas is completely penetrated through reality. And further he said that true reality is all beings, all Each and every being is true reality. That means each and every being is Buddha. Only Buddha together with Buddha. So, but we must be careful that Dogen can say this from the point of just sitting. Just sitting means being liberated from nama-luta. So he sees everything as Buddhadharma. Otherwise, it's kind of dangerous if we simply think everything is Buddha.

[44:28]

Whatever we do is Buddha's activity. Please. Were all the writings primarily for the monks? Yes. I mean, just for the monks. It didn't really go out to the... I think... I don't think so. This is... Yes, Genjo Kwan is written and gifted, gave to a lay person. But in the case of this one... Because they know what sitting is, isn't it? It's primarily for... I think so. Especially when he wrote this chapter, he lived in a small temple only with his monks. It's a sad lecture, isn't it? No. Anyway, so he said, Buddhas are true reality, and true reality is all beings.

[45:35]

So buddhas are jiso, and jiso is shoho. And fat shoho, or all beings, refer to is such a form, such a nature. These are two of the ten suchness. And such a body and mind, our body and our mind, that means five skandhas, are all beings. And this is true reality, and this is Buddha. And such a world, the world in which we are being born, living and dying, is also, of course, all beings. Therefore, that is reality, true reality, and also the Buddha. And such clouds and rain, that is, you know, the climate or weather, it is always changing.

[46:39]

You know, clouds somehow appear in this blue sky and give us rain. And when it ceases, it's again blue sky. So it's that kind of a scenery of impermanence always changing. That is also of course, part of all things. And therefore this is true reality and this is Buddha. And such walking, standing, sitting and lying down, this is all activity we do in 24 hours. This is also all beings, true reality and Buddha. Such anxiety and joy is, you know, the emotion we experience each day.

[47:42]

And movement and stillness. Such a stuff and a fisk, stuff and a fisk, do you know stuff and a fisk? This is a tool for monks, especially the master. When the master give a Dharma discourse at a Dharma hall, he ascended the platform like at a mountain city ceremony with staff and whisk. So when the master gave a Dharma discourse, he hold a staff and whisk. So this is a teaching activity for as a master. is also all beings and true reality and Buddha. And such picking up a flower and breaking into a smile, this refers to the Dharma transmission from Shakyamuni Buddha to Mahakasyapa.

[48:57]

Mahakasyapa pick up a flower and just, you know, look up and Mahakasyapa smile. This is also true reality of all beings. And this dharma transmission taking place within this true reality of all beings. And such dharma transmission And prediction, dharma transmission is like a Buddha to Ananda, I mean, Mahakasyapa and Mahakasyapa to Ananda. And prediction means Buddha give a prediction that you, all of, you know, in the Lotus Sutra, Buddha give a prediction to all people, even Devadatta, that you are all becoming Buddhas sooner or later. So all those things, kind of a Buddhist practice, is also a part of true reality of all beings.

[50:13]

And such studying and practicing, studying dharma and practicing the way, this practicing is bendo. Usually I translate this bendo as a wholehearted practice of the way, but it is too long, so I just said practicing. And studying is a translation of sangaku, Sangaku, san means to visit and meet with teacher and study. So this studying is not simply reading a text in our room, but studying with a teacher. So it's not a personal thinking, but this is a practice. And such faithfulness of pain and integrity of bamboo. This pine and bamboo, I think, probably because this is written in November, it's a time of changing color.

[51:19]

You know, pine and bamboo doesn't change the color of the leaves. It keeps, you know, green. Both are evergreen, so it doesn't change. Of course it changes, but not, you know, change like other leaves. And also, pine and bamboo is commonly used as a symbol of faithfulness and integrity. So all that kind of things and activity as a practice, studying and practice of Dharma. All are nothing other than true reality of all beings. Therefore, these are all Buddha. This is the main theme of this writing.

[52:25]

Please. Is there a warning in a Well, as I said, that poem is about prostration. To prostration means to surrender ourselves to the Dharma. Buddha, Dharma and Sangha. So that means we become really one with, not we but White Heron, become really one with the snow, the entire white world, one color world. On another level, the White Heron wants to disappear from the prayer chair too.

[53:29]

Yeah, because in the same as, you know, self-discipline to the myriad dharmas, we become really a part of myriad dharmas. That means self and myriad dharmas are really one. That is a time, you know, vast moonlight deflect on each and every drop of dew. You know, there are moon and moonlight and tiny drop of dew become really the same thing. Does it make sense? Okay. Then he quote the sentence from the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni Buddha said, only a Buddha together with a Buddha are able to completely penetrate the true reality of all beings.

[54:43]

That is, such a form, such a nature, such a body, such energy, such a function, such a cause, such a condition, such a result, and such a recompense and such ultimate identity. I'm sorry, there is a typo missed. This is not the fall, but from the beginning to the end. From the beginning to the end. And he start to make comment. on this sentence from the Lotus Sutra because I already talked on this sentence this morning. So I start to talk on Dogen's comment. Yes. Maybe you'll get to this later.

[55:48]

Only a Buddha together with a Buddha. If you would comment on Why is it only a Buddha together with a Buddha? Why not just a Buddha? Good point. In the early Buddhism, Buddha is only one, Shakyamuni Buddha. There's no other person can become a Buddha. But in the Mahayana Buddhism, there are many Buddhas. And in the Lotus Sutra, the Shakyamuni is saying this statement. And I think what he wants to say, not the Shakyamuni, but the person or people who made the Lotus Sutra want to convey is

[56:51]

Buddhas and all other Buddhas, not only Shakyamuni Buddha, but all other Buddhas, including, you know, Dharmakaya Buddha, Sambhogakaya Buddha, and other Nirmanakaya Buddhas, all other Buddhas, awakened to the same reality, same Dharma. And later in the same section of the Lotus Sutra, it said, all Buddhas appeared in this world only for one great matter. That means only one purpose. And that is to show and open the door and show and allow living beings understand or comprehend and allow all living beings enter this at that place it said enter into the Buddha's wisdom or Sanskrit or Buddha's darshanam.

[58:00]

And this Buddha darshanam, what Buddha sees, what Buddha sees is this reality of all beings. So then Lotus Sutra says, a Buddha, only Buddha together with Buddha means not only Shakyamuni Buddha, But all other Buddhas appeared only for one great matter, that is to show the reality of all beings. So, how can I say? The reality or teachings of all different Buddhas are the same thing. And this is not only Shakyamuni's teaching, but all Buddhas' teachings. Does that make sense? Yeah. Please. In terms of our practice, though, he said Buddhas are all beings, all beings are Buddha.

[59:05]

So if he's saying that only a Buddha together with a Buddha can realize the true reality of all beings. Isn't he saying that only beings together, only two beings together, or only beings in relationship with other beings can realize it? I mean, I don't know what he could say. I think so. But isn't that what he's saying? I mean, I don't know. I think so. We can see the reality of all beings only within the network of interdependent origination. That means when we practice together with other people and other beings, that is the time we can see the reality of all beings. So Sangha is really important. So would that go along with the sense that only a Buddha and a Buddha is very Mahayana?

[60:08]

Yes. Very oriented toward practicing in a world of relationship versus going to the cave and... Yeah, like purify ourselves. Yeah, separate from other people, other beings. So it carries that feeling to it, that connotation. Yes. And that is what the concept of Ekayana, one vehicle, means. Everything should be included and embraced. without this, outside of this network of interdependent ordination, actually there's nothing there, and we cannot get out of there. Please. How would you define obstinacy, on perception and no perception of the same? How does it manifest in daily activities which are not similar to each other?

[61:13]

Well, that is a very good point. And that is what Dogen discussed in writings like Tenzo-kyokun. In the Tenzo-kyokun, Dogen taught that when we work as a Tendo in the kitchen, we should be one with the water, rice, and fire, all utensils. This is how, in a sense, Jiju Zanmai can work in our daily lives together with other beings. That is, in a sense, that is the way our Zazen function in our daily life as a practice. So now I cannot talk about Tendo Kyokun, but please try to read. I have to go further.

[62:17]

Paragraph three, the tathagata's utterance, ultimate identity from the beginning to the end, is the self-expression of the true reality. of all beings. Self-expression of an acharya. This is one and the same study because study is one and the same. This self-expression is what I mentioned when he asked What about when we are thinking, or what about Dogen is writing, this writing? He is thinking. Is this part of reality of all beings or not? And this is Dogen's answer. When we think and express something, of course using words or concepts,

[63:35]

If this word or concept or expression is really manifest, that reality of all beings, this is not Dogen thinking, this is not our thinking, but this statement or thinking is a self-expression of reality of all beings. Does it make sense? Does it make sense? It's not my... What I'm saying is really in accordance with dharma. This is not my thinking. This is my speaking. This is not my thinking and this is not my thinking, but the dharma expresses itself through this being, through these five skandhas. So is that... the first of the three hendai perspectives?

[64:45]

Yeah. Let's see. I think third. Two. This word, this word self-expression is the Dosh. I think this is a really unique expression of Dogen. No one else used this expression, Ji Dosh. Ji is self. Do in this case, this do is saying or speaking. And shu is to grasp. So in this case, grasping this reality of all beings using words within talking or speaking.

[66:00]

And Dogen used another same kind of expression, such as dōtoku. This toku means to gain or attain, usually, but dōtoku he actually wrote a chapter of Shōbō Genzō entitled Dōtoku. And he said, when we experience and awaken to the reality, we have to say something. You have to say something. The title of Katagiri Roshi's book, you have to say something. you have to say something that really expresses the true reality.

[67:05]

Until you can say something, you can express that awakening, that reality you've experienced. Your experience is not really true. If you experience something truly, you have to say something about it. That is Dogen's request to us. And it's really Tao, as in bindao? It's the same as dao or tao, but that means the way. But here, the same Chinese character means to say or to speak. So it's different, completely different. Different meaning, same character, same word, but different meaning. And next he said, self-expression of the true reality of all beings. So true reality of all beings expressing itself through Dogen, through Dogen's brain.

[68:13]

And Dogen's brain is part of that true reality. And also self-expression of an acharya. Acharya is a Buddhist teacher or master. But this acharya in original Jari, Ajari is Japanese translation of acharya, Jari. That is the word Dogen used. But this usage of this word, acharya or jari, I think came from at least one koan story of Tozan. And Tozan called one of his disciples, who he was talking to, as jari. So it's not really a teacher or master, but this means you.

[69:15]

That means, you know, Please, please. If it's coming from Dogen's brain, perhaps it's just an expedient reality perceived by Dogen. Yes, it is. I mean, expedient reality is only a way to show the true reality using words. That is what Nagarjuna said. So this is expedient. This is not reality itself beyond wording. This is a collection of all words, concept. But Dōgen is trying to destroy the concept and show the reality beyond concept, using the concept. This is what Nagarjuna and all other Buddhist masters have been doing, using words and concept to destroy the words and concept.

[70:23]

to show the reality beyond words and concept. So this activity is very contradictory. That's why it's so difficult to follow using our usual usage of word and concept. OK, please. So you said that if what you say is in accordance with the dharma, then that's the dharma expressing itself through you. But would that be true of evil things that people do as well? If someone does something evil, then is that them, or is that evil expressing itself through them? I think evil expresses itself through them. And that is also a part of dharma, that evil... a part of dharma or a reality of all beings.

[71:25]

That means that is a teaching of we should not do that. Because of the evil or unwholesome sequence, we have to see the reality and we have to learn this is not something we should do. So not only a good thing, but also a wholesome thing is a dharma teaching for us, how to work with it, how to avoid it. And if we understand how to avoid or how to work with it, go through it, then that experience is really a great teaching, beneficial to many other people who have the same problem, same difficulties. Uchiyanaroshi said, you know, the problems or delusions we have and the mistakes we have done is, what is the word, capital, money to start the business for Bodhisattva.

[72:37]

Unless we have many misunderstandings and delusions and mistakes, we cannot help others because we don't know how to you know, fix, you know, difficult situations. If we just be, you know, just be in dharma, just be good, we don't know how to deal with, you know, difficult situation. So, but Ujjamaa also said, if we have repentance, if we have repentance, then the mistakes we have done become a dharma. Just like anything I do in the sewing room to show people how to fix mistakes comes because I made those mistakes. Right. That's why Dogen said, you know, I'll practice from one mistake to another mistake.

[73:43]

Mistakes allow us to continue to practice. So mistake is important. If we see that is mistake, if we don't see mistake is not mistake, that's a real mistake. Or delusion, if we see delusion as delusion, that is not delusion, that is awakening. If we think delusion is reality, then that is real delusion. You're saying a chariot is a jari? A jari, yes. Tell us a story that came from that. Tozan just called his children in that story as a jari, or a jari. That's all. The conversation is not important. Dogen just picked up this word, jari, in order to say, this is you.

[74:52]

That means us. Maybe ungan, maybe tozan, I'm not sure. Anyway, so this is not only the self-expression of true reality of all beings, but also self-expression of ourselves. each one of us, because each one of us is a part of all beings. And this is one and the same study, because study is one and the same. I think a similar saint appeared in Vendoa. This one and same study, I think it's in Vendoa, as a part of Jiju Zammai, he said, Zazen is equally the same practice and the same enlightenment for both the person sitting and for all dharmas.

[76:14]

So this one and same refer to the person sitting and all dharmas. So here this shows the one and same of only Buddha together with Buddha and reality of all beings. The same practice. I mean, when we practice, we study Dharma and practice Dharma, not only Dharma is reality of all beings, But this person practicing is also part of reality of all beings. So reality of all beings is practicing, studying and practicing reality of all beings. So self and medial dharmas practice together. So this is one unchanged practice and studying of dharma.

[77:16]

That means there's nothing other than the Buddha, the reality of all beings and the self and practice and studying. This is all a function of one thing. So this is the same idea with Zenki, the expression Zenki. This is also Dogen used as a title of one chapter of Shobo Genzo. Zenki means total or entire or whole work or function. This means self and others or self and all beings, myriad dharmas, working together as one.

[78:23]

It's not I study something for the sake of this person. And let me finish next paragraph. Only a Buddha together with a Buddha is the true reality of all beings. The true reality of all beings is only a Buddha together with a Buddha. So only a Buddha together with a Buddha. That means Buddha. And reality of all beings, true reality of all beings, are same thing. This is what I have been saying. So only a Buddha is the true reality. Together with a Buddha is all beings. Upon hearing the utterance, all beings,

[79:28]

Do not study it either as one or as many. Upon hearing the utterance true reality, do not study it either as not being void or as not being nature. True is only Buddha. Reality is together with a Buddha. Being able to is only a Buddha. Complete penetration is together with a Buddha. All things are only a Buddha. True form is together with a Buddha. When all beings are truly all beings, we call them only a Buddha. When all beings are truly reality, a true reality, we call them together with a Buddha.

[80:35]

You know, his writing is kind of messed up. I mean, he breaks up the sentence from the Lotus Sutra. and said basically what he wanted to say, each and everything, each and every word used in the sutra are nothing other than Buddha and reality. Even, you know, this word, naino, I don't know how to translate this naino. It has almost no meaning. And no is able to. This naino, that is a part of a sentence, naino. Being able to is only a Buddha. This word, even without significant meaning, is Buddha.

[81:42]

That means each and every word, every character as one of the all beings are Buddha. So he don't deal this sentence as a sentence, but each character as independent characters and each phrase and all those, not a meaning, but all those words are also Buddha. Each and every word or characters are also all beings. Therefore that is true reality. Therefore that is Buddha. I don't think other than Dogen, no one says this kind of thing. The important point is the sentence, upon hearing the utterance, all being, it should be all beings, should be plural.

[82:50]

Do not study it either as one or as many. One and many, ichi and ta, means oneness, that is, interconnectedness. and manyness that is individual or multiplicity. I often use this as an example, whether this is one hand or five fingers. When we say all beings, it's the same as we see these five fingers. Each and every finger has different shape and individual, different from other fingers. But we can call this as one hand.

[83:57]

In this case, the individuality of each finger disappears, and this is only one hand. It is all beings, five fingers or one hand. One hand means the wholeness, the whole entire network of interdependent origination is one hand. And each and every being within that network is five fingers. It is one or five. It's many or one. And Dogen said we should not study either. That means this is at the same time they are both. At the same time, this is five fingers, nothing other than five fingers. But this is also one hand. This really works as one thing. Please. Sensei, would it be accurate to say that that's a kind of... Do you not study it either as one or as many as a kind of injunction, a guideline for practice?

[85:08]

Yes. So, like think, not thinking, like that. Well, what is it? You either study it as money or as men. But, you know, this is why all beings is plural. as a common sense differ to many different things. But as true reality, this is one. So we should, he said, we should not study one or many. That means we should not grasp this as, you know, independent beings separate with other beings. And yet That is truly individual person. So we have to see both sides, one and many at the same time.

[86:16]

That is the same question with yours. And upon hearing the utterance, true reality, do not study it either as not being void or as not being nature. this jits in jitsō, this jits means true or real, and this is the opposite of kei, or provisional, or ko, void, or fake. So this jitsō is not an opposite concept, of provisional or fake. And this saw, as a common usage, is a pair with show.

[87:20]

Show is nature, form and nature. As a concept, this saw is an opposition of fake or provisional. But in this case, Dogen is caution to us. We don't think, consider this Jissō as opposition of something. This is entire reality. So that means we should not, Jissō is some kind of a concept. And finally, in this paragraph she said, when all beings are truly all beings, all beings don't need to be transformed to be a true reality. Of course, the reality of all beings is just as it is.

[88:23]

So, just beings not need to be, can be, not can be, all beings just as they are, only Buddha. We don't need to change anything. All beings, just be all beings. That is called only a Buddha. And when all beings are truly, true reality, all beings are true reality, then that is called together with a Buddha. Both are Buddha. So here Dogen said, only a Buddha and together with a Buddha as a name of a Buddha. This one, Yuibutsu is name of one Buddha, and Yobutsu is name of another Buddha. Instead of reading as a sentence, only Buddha together with Buddha.

[89:28]

Only a Buddha is name of one Buddha together with Buddha is name of another Buddha, and they are together. This is a kind of nonsense, I think. But that is how he thinks. Well, I think it's time to stop talking. Any questions? Okay. Thank you.

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